TSLA - on verge of bankruptcy?

[schweiz]

Doesn't it take less than 90 minutes for a full charge at the Supercharger for a 100D?

When I drive across Germany there are in total only 13 supercharger stations available in an area of about 50 km around the autobahn, on the trip I usually make. So first leave the autobahn, and drive around to find one is already extra time you need.
Next problem is that these superchargers are very busy as there are only a few. So wait in queue till one is available for you. Can take 90 minutes extra if you are really unlucky in your timing.

So your 90 minutes in real live are closer to 3 hours before you have a full recharge and are back on the autobahn.

In the city where I live there are no superchargers, for the closest one you have to drive at least 50 km, and back, so 100 km. If I watch on the map from Tesla with all location where you can load , there seems tobe a loading point in the center of my city. In reality there is no loading point, and the street where this station should be is a passengers area where no cars can come. So there will NEVER be one, and if there will be one it will never be used.

In an area of 2500 square km (50 by 50 km) there is not a single supercharger and only
2 Tesla Connectors, up to 22kW. Available for patrons only. Don't even know what "patrons" mean but clearly not a place where any Tesla driver can charge. I live however in an area with a density of around 300-400 people per square km. So not in a desert or abandoned area.

There are 1000 times more fuel stations, so no stress, no hunting for energy, no queue... and no stops every 200 miles to start the hunt for a loading station.

 

[Pekelo]

It is silly to debate the generic characteristic of EVs in this thread. What should be discussed what is actually specific to only Tesla. Like not making mass market cars, as promised. The M3 ended up being 45+K has no mass appeal (it ended up being just another luxury car), not to mention the design flaws.

 

[Turveyd]

@Baron I just wanted to comment here...

You have a Tesla as your everyday car. It serves you well for your "normal everyday". But what if you wish to take the occasional roadtrip? That is the problem I have with the idea of electric.

You don't need to "take a lot of 600+ mile trips" to see the problem with the electric car.

You need to try to take just ONE trip just outside of the range of the electric car to see the problem.

Hypothetical...

You buy the car. You live in NYC (or a suburb). You live your life needing just a couple hundred miles per week to accommodate kids, spouse, work. You do that for a year. You save up some bucks, and now you have a few days of vacation time. Take the kids to Disney World in Florida!

How far you going to get in your Tesla over the 5 days you have off work if you wish to bring the kids to Disney World in Orlando? Road-trip is out. Take the plane, rent a car at destination.

Next scenario...Take your kids to Sandusky park in Ohio, where the tallest roller-coaster in the US is located!

Hrmm, wait a minute. Will there be a charging station there for that trip along the way or back, so we can be back home before I have to go back to work? No? Then what is the point?

Aside from the obvious issues here, that problem right there Baron is why the average person will never embrace the electric car...It is because of the range problem and the possibility of inconvenience. Nobody will accept a "cleaner" alternative with half the range of the old version if it takes them an extra day to get them to where the old thingy did. This is the human condition.

300 miles even 250 would do, as i could get to the mountains and trail centres, i haven't exceeded that in years.

The 100k price tag to get that kinda range is the issue, although if i was in the market for a 100k luxury car I'd go tesla every time, but how many of us can really blow 100k on a car or even 50k on a high mileage 2nd hand version.

 

[schweiz]

It is silly to debate the generic characteristic of EVs in this thread. What should be discussed what is actually specific to only Tesla. Like not making mass market cars, as promised. The M3 ended up being 45+K has no mass appeal (it ended up being just another luxury car), not to mention the design flaws.

The only thing that matters is: what can I buy (financial limits), or how much do I want to spent, and what do I need in my position?

All the rest is nonsense. If you can buy a single seater car to drive around for $100 would you buy it if you need a car for 4 persons? The specifications of a Tesla and all other EV are horrible for what I need. So for me they are not an option. End of story.
Even if they are or would be the perfect EV? Do you buy the best dishwasher in the world if you need a hairdryer?

 

[Pekelo]

The only thing that matters is: what can I buy

No, your personal opinion doesn't matter, the masses' do.

People are obviously are willing to buy EVs, for the right price. Tesla could have made a sexy looking "I want that" car for cheap (under 30K), yet Elon decided to go for the higher price range. Maybe in 2030 after the electric bike.

 

[El OchoCinco]

The only thing that matters is: what can I buy (financial limits), or how much do I want to spent, and what do I need in my position?

All the rest is nonsense. If you can buy a single seater car to drive around for $100 would you buy it if you need a car for 4 persons? The specifications of a Tesla and all other EV are horrible for what I need. So for me they are not an option. End of story.
Even if they are or would be the perfect EV? Do you buy the best dishwasher in the world if you need a hairdryer?

I don't think the name of this thread is "schweiz MUST buy an EV" and you need to go on and on why YOU don't want one. We get it, an EV is not right for you. Guess what...other shit matters than what YOU can buy.

 

[schweiz]

No, your personal opinion doesn't matter, the masses' do.

People are obviously are willing to buy EVs, for the right price. Tesla could have made a sexy looking "I want that" car for cheap (under 30K), yet Elon decided to go for the higher price range. Maybe in 2030 after the electric bike.

So Elon Musk also followed his personal opinion...not the mass.

For ME my personal opinion is all that counts. I don't like Apple products although they are very succesful. Should I buy now Apple products because the mass is buying them?

In trading I also do what makes sense to me, and is most of the time different, and frequently just opposite from what the mass does. My bank account shows that I made the best choice for me.

This is the choice of the US mass:

Where is Waldo/Wally? Sorry, where is Tesla?

 

[El OchoCinco]

Lets all be amazed by schwanz's opinion

 

[Baron]

I would just like to clarify that I never said that a Tesla is suitable for every person or every possible trip scenario. If you take a lot of long road trips out in the middle of nowhere, then yeah, you need a gas powered vehicle for maximum range and convenience.

Personally, neither my wife nor I like long road trips. If we needed to take trips that were more than 500 miles, we would be be flying, end of story. I have no desire to be in a car for 8 hours or more under any circumstance.

Keep in mind that my wife has a Porsche Cayenne SUV, so if we needed to take a trip that was beyond the range of the Tesla and there were no charging stations along the route, we would just take her car. Problem solved.

 

[Pekelo]

Should I buy now Apple products because the mass is buying them?

No, you should buy Apple stocks because the masses are buying them.

The stock and the product are 2 different things. Do you only want to make money with brands that you like???