Trump's national security adviser Flynn resigns

[Good1]

Few people were more obstinate on this issue than Trump, but even he eventually acknowledged the Russian hacking:

No, he appeased the IC spooks who finally "briefed" him with their opinions. If you recall, the IC put out a public version of their opinion, and were said to reserve a private "classified" opinion for the President. If you recall, the public report was an embarrassing failure to connect the dots, offering more opinion than facts. This left everybody assuming the facts were contained in the classified version of the spook narrative. Turns out the classified version was just as absent with facts, and equally prescient with opinions, according to Rep. Steve King who was included in the classified briefings.

Rep. Steve King: Russia election story a 'CNN narrative'
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2614852/

"Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, argued Wednesday that Russia's alleged attempts to influence the U.S. election are just a "CNN narrative," and is not something intelligence agents have been able to prove as true in classified briefings with Congress."

"There was dissent among that, and furthermore, I sat in on that classified briefing, and they divulged not one fact," he said. "They only gave us their opinions. So we're back at the same place again. We need facts to work with."

If you see these briefings as opportunities for the IC to gaslight and serve koolaid, you can understand why Trump was reticent to attend all the IC church meetings during the transition. When Trump finally did attend the IC's revival of Russiaphobia prayer meeting, he did walk out of it bamboozled enough to say something, briefly and vaguely, seeming to agree with the IC priest's prophecy about Russian interference. At that time, i thought, they are going to hang that around his neck, like a millstone. I thought, why the hell is Trump appeasing the IC high priests and their scripture quoting scribes in the globalist wing of the MSM?

So i fault Trump for giving them an inch, once.

I believe the inch he gave them has come back to bite him as he continues to appease neocon warmongers regarding this narrative, giving up Flynn to protect Pence's stupid remarks about how nobody has ever contacted the Russians for any reason.

It's this appeasement that is getting Trump deeper and deeper into hot water, unable to discern who to trust, and why. I regard Trump's statement in this regard his first major mistake. I am not surprised to hear Rep. King is wholly unconvinced that the classified version of the narrative contained any more facts, or any fewer opinions than the unclassified version.

The question is, does Trump still, really, agree with the IC high priests that the Russians "hacked" our elections?

 

[Good1]

Few people were more obstinate on this issue than Trump, but even he eventually acknowledged the Russian hacking:

So the PEOTUS walks into a bar, bartender says...

I mean, PEOTUS walks into an IC revival meeting and the high priest says, "You've just been punched in the face by some Russians!"

Direct appeal to EGO.

Trump walks out of revival meeting, "Yah, the Russians hacked the elections".

At another meeting, IC high priests go, "The Iranians just punched you in the face! Are you going to be some kind of Harvey Milk Toast?"

Later, Trump warns Iranians, "Better be careful!"

Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia continues to fund the expansion of Wahabi mosques and stock them with flamboyant immams all around the world.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia continues to fund the expansion of Wahabi mosques and stock them with flamboyant immams all around the world.

And strangely, no one seems to care. No one seems to notice the horrifying repression of Christians in Saudi Arabia. The intell community seemingly has no interest in Saudi involvement in 9/11, which is not that surprising given the last CIA Director's close involvement with the Saudis.

We have a lot more to fear from muslim colonization and third world immigration than the Russians.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Few people were more obstinate on this issue than Trump, but even he eventually acknowledged the Russian hacking:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b5164beba6b_story.html?utm_term=.72df2c7ed514

I'm guessing WikiLeaks didn't obtain this Russian-hacked information telepathically.

So now you're saying that because Trump says something, it must be true?

Still, no evidence on any of it being Russian induced. Zero. Zilch. Until that changes, it's just speculation.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

So now you're saying that because Trump says something, it must be true?

I'm saying he wouldn't admit it if he didn't have to because he had been denying it for such a long time. Presumably he had been presented with intelligence that convinced even him. Can you think of a better explanation?

 

[Tsing Tao]

I'm saying he wouldn't admit it if he didn't have to because he had been denying it for such a long time. Presumably he had been presented with intelligence that convinced even him. Can you think of a better explanation?

Sure. Trump often flip flops. What he said in the article was that he thinks it's Russia, but what is important is the info not the hacking. Oh, and Hacking is bad.

Evidence is required. If they had it, they'd show it. They don't have anything because there isn't anything.

 

[Banjo]

Former Obama Officials, Loyalists Waged Secret Campaign to Oust Flynn
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/former-obama-officials-loyalists-waged-campaign-oust-flynn/

 

[Tom B]

FLASHBACK: Democrat Ted Kennedy Asked Soviet Union To Intervene In 1984 Election To Defeat Reagan

8/28/2009 @ 12:01AM
Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit
Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.

First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”

Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time–and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.

Kennedy’s motives? “Like other rational people,” the memorandum explained, “[Kennedy] is very troubled by the current state of Soviet-American relations.” But that high-minded concern represented only one of Kennedy’s motives.

“Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988,” the memorandum continued. “Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against the Republicans and elect their candidate president.”

Kennedy proved eager to deal with Andropov–the leader of the Soviet Union, a former director of the KGB and a principal mover in both the crushing of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution and the suppression of the 1968 Prague Spring–at least in part to advance his own political prospects.

In 1992, Tim Sebastian published a story about the memorandum in the London Times. Here in the U.S., Sebastian’s story received no attention. In his 2006 book, The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism, historian Paul Kengor reprinted the memorandum in full. “The media,” Kengor says, “ignored the revelation.”

“The document,” Kengor continues, “has stood the test of time. I scrutinized it more carefully than anything I’ve ever dealt with as a scholar. I showed the document to numerous authorities who deal with Soviet archival material. No one has debunked the memorandum or shown it to be a forgery. Kennedy’s office did not deny it.”

Why bring all this up now? No evidence exists that Andropov ever acted on the memorandum–within eight months, the Soviet leader would be dead–and now that Kennedy himself has died even many of the former senator’s opponents find themselves grieving. Yet precisely because Kennedy represented such a commanding figure–perhaps the most compelling liberal of our day–we need to consider his record in full.

Doing so, it turns out, requires pondering a document in the archives of the politburo.

When President Reagan chose to confront the Soviet Union, calling it the evil empire that it was, Sen. Edward Kennedy chose to offer aid and comfort to General Secretary Andropov. On the Cold War, the greatest issue of his lifetime, Kennedy got it wrong.

Peter Robinson, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and a former White House speechwriter, writes a weekly column for Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/te...eagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html

 

[Good1]

Here, Kucinich emphasizes the illegality aspect of the phone call intercept, and really lays out the ramifications. Needs to be shared, cause this is what it comes down to. Here, he mentions another example where Obama's plan to make some peace or cease fire in Russia was sabotaged from somewhere in the IC community, causing 100 Syrian troops to be killed in an air raid, ending the peace agreement, and restarting the war machine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/832019578549043200

 

[Good1]

I'm saying he wouldn't admit it if he didn't have to because he had been denying it for such a long time. Presumably he had been presented with intelligence that convinced even him. Can you think of a better explanation?

Cernovich thinks Trump may have been threatened, and/or his family, by the rogue elements of the IC sabotage community. Otherwise, he, nor I, understand why Trump has become a NEOCON trying to restart a cold war, damning all torpedo's as the Trump train goes off the rails, into Ukraine, which recently became the 51st state of the United States unbeknownst to Trump's base.

I see every meeting with the IC for briefings as an opportunity for the rogue elements, the high priests of propaganda, to wage psychological warfare on the brain of the President.

I can't explain it otherwise. Tsing Tao is right. There was never any evidence, at the public level, and according to Rep. Steve King, neither at the classified level.

First this vague, 'I think Russia was involved', then the completely out-of-left-field statement of Nicky Haley at the U.N.

It's possible Trump wants to go after Iran so bad, he's willing to trash Iran's chief ally, Russia.

Today, i heard two things:

1.) Trump insists Russia give back Crimea so we can have "good relations", enough to cooperate on the stomping of ISIS. Sanctions will remain until then.

2.) Russia is NOT going to give back Crimea.

So, I declare, the Trump train is officially off the rails, tracing back to that one weird statement Trump made after meeting with the IC in December about the rumors of Russian hacking.

In this context, i would still maintain there is no evidence, Trump knows it, AND DOES NOT CARE.

The objective is to either:

A) Appear belligerent to Russia to get some wierd 'art-of-the-deal' leverage for some future treaty/deal.

B) Actually BE belligerent to Russia to enrich the military industrial complex, in exchange for a kick-back on all the arms to be sold to NATO.

I suggest Flynn stood in the way of starting a war with Russia.

It's as if Trump has been hypnotized, and does not know who his friends are anymore.

Either that, or he was a closet NEOCON, ready to cash in on an arms race.