Trump's 'astonishing' concession to Kim Jong Un and North Korea

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

"Frederick Foresight, post: 4671772, member: 488296"]So the military experts who were quoted are now the left wing media? Who knew.
Who's comments is the media going to use: The comments that support their narrative or that goes against their narrative? These guys may be former military experts, now retired, but this is a diplomatic mission. They either want to be in the limelight or may have still some relationships that benefit from global tension.

If Obama did what you guys seem to be praising Trump for, you'd scream that he gave away the store. And let's not forget the Right Wingers' outrage at the very idea of Obama talking to dictators, as someone here previously pointed out:

http://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-video-trump-obama-north-korea-848618
Although I did't click on this link, I didn't have to. You have made a good point and the constant jockeying for position or the continual characterization of the other side as screwing up whatever they are working reduces credibility of our politicians on both sides and undermines the public's overall confidence in our system.

And for this important face-to-face, Trump didn't even prepare?! And you're okay with that? That his people, and even the Pentagon, had no idea in advance of the concessions he would (impulsively) make by the seat of his pants? Man, love really is blind, eh?
Nothing that has been done by the U.S. cannot be undone. The gesture that Trump made does not amount to a concession for reasons stated before. The radical Left is trying to use Trump's goodwill gesture as proof he did not prepare for this meeting.

Sad. I suppose when you have little relevancy, and looking at losing what little relevancy you have remaining, you do what you have to do.

Besides, Trump is always prepared to negotiate by virtue of his interviewing and listening, yes listening, technique. Trump quickly finds out what is important to the person he is talking to. This was shown by his campaigning in front of large audiences and in the Presidential debates, Trump knows how to read body language, picks up when someone does not say what is normally said given similar circumstances, and quickly responses appropriately to the information gathered.

Those who do not run multiple, complex businesses and make many important decisions per day rarely appreciate the skill level Trump possesses.

The North Korean negotiation process, if successful, will have far reaching positive effect and will likely take much less time than the Mueller Investigation.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Who's comments is the media going to use: The comments that support their narrative or that goes against their narrative? These guys may be former military experts, now retired, but this is a diplomatic mission. They either want to be in the limelight or may have still some relationships that benefit from global tension.

Fine, then make it more objective. Please provide a list, with links, of military commanders who approve of the manner on which Trump conducted himself and the concessions he made.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

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"Frederick Foresight, post: 4671802, member: 488296"]W wanted to go into Iraq, and he kept saying go back and find me evidence. You know this to be true.
Damn right. This is why I was part of a Seattle anti-war protest group during the second Iraq war with my Chinese girlfriend at the time. Between Halliburton working a lucrative defense contract, Blackwater mercenarie contracts, and defense companies, it was a porkfest that cost lives.

So now you want to dismiss the collective knowledge of the military and go with a seat-of-the-pants guy?
This is not a military operation. You do not send millitary personal on a diplomatic mission. Duh. You do however, send your best negotiator. Our military capability has not been reduced.

Well, his companies went bankrupt and he left countless stakeholders holding the bag. He was this close to being personally insolvent by his own admission. What about them apples? And that was in his chosen field! And now you're gonna trust HIS judgment over that of the people who at least have a clue about what they're doing? I mean, seriously? As I said, love is blind.
Trump has been involved in hundreds of businesses and has apparently learned some things along the way as evidenced by going from insolvent to worth billions.

Although the Radical Left's storyline is a little better than one of their new spokesmen, DeNiro, it is still is not based on logic and internal consistency and appears to be the result of political panic.

It is like these guys are trying to make fun of Trump because he got a little dirt on his football uniform while Trump simply smiles and looks up on the scoreboard at his massive and increasing lead.

 

[Max E.]

You know full well that was a return of confiscated Iranian funds as part of the deal. No need to parrot lies just to smear Obama

So do You think there was a reason they returned it in Cash? where do you think it went? Do you think the government reappropriated it to the people who lost it?

Also on the inside the snake Obama was trying to get sanctions lifted with no one noticing.
Is the Washington Post lying too or is that too right wing?

Imagine how badly the leftwing would lose their shit if Trump was negotiating like this.




Obama took lying to new heights with the Iran deal

When it comes to the Iran nuclear deal, the Obama administration increasingly appears to have been a bottomless pit of deception.

First, President Barack Obama failed to disclose to Congress the existence of secret side deals on inspections when he transmitted the nuclear accord to Capitol Hill. (They were only uncovered by chance when then-Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-Kan.) and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) learned about them during a meeting with International Atomic Energy Agency officials in Vienna.) Then, we learned that the Obama administration had secretly sent a plane to Tehran loaded with $400 million in Swiss francs, euros and other currencies on the same day Iran released four American hostages, which was followed by two more secret flights carrying another $1.3 billion in cash.

Now, in a bombshell revelation, Republicans on the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, led by Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), have revealed in a new report that the Obama administration secretly tried to help Iran use U.S. banks to convert $5.7 billion in Iranian assets, after promising Congress that Iran would not get access to the U.S. financial system — and then lied to Congress about what it had done. (Full disclosure: My wife works for Portman).

In July 2015, Obama Treasury Secretary Jack Lew assured the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that, under the nuclear accord, Iran “will continue to be denied access to the [U.S.] financial and commercial market” and that “Iranian banks will not be able to clear U.S. dollars through New York, hold correspondent account relationships with U.S. financial institutions, or enter into financing arrangements with U.S. banks.” A few weeks later, one of Lew’s top deputies, Adam Szubin, used the exact same words in testimony to the Senate banking committee.

But Senate investigators found that on Feb. 24, 2016, the Obama Treasury Department “granted a specific license that authorized a conversion of Iranian assets worth billions of U.S. dollars using the U.S. financial system” — exactly what Lew and Szubin said would not happen — including unlimited future Iranian deposits at Bank Muscat in Oman until the license expired.

Not only that, Senate investigators found that officials from the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), which regulates U.S. banks’ compliance with U.S. sanctions law, “encouraged two U.S. correspondent banks to convert the funds.” The report says “both banks declined to complete the transaction due to compliance, reputational, and legal risks associated with doing business with Iran.”


3:46

Trump is pulling the U.S. out of the Iran deal. What's next?
The Post’s Alan Sipress and Karen DeYoung explain how President Trump’s decision might affect an already tense Middle East.(Sarah Parnass, Joyce Lee/The Washington Post)

Then, after issuing the license, the Obama administration explicitly denied to Congress that it had done so. Lew and Szubin both failed to disclose the license in congressional testimony while continuing to assert that the Obama administration would not give Iran access to U.S. financial institutions — when they had just tried to do so. And in a June 2016 letter to Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), Treasury officials declared “The U.S. Department of Treasury is not working on behalf of Iran to enable Iranian access to U.S. dollars elsewhere in the international financial system, nor are we assisting Iran in gaining access to dollar payment systems outside the U.S. financial system. The Administration has not been and is not planning to grant Iran access to the U.S. financial system.” This was patently false.

Investigators also found internal State Department emails, in which officials admitted that the Obama administration had “exceeded our JCPOA commitments” by authorizing Iranian access to U.S. banks. Furthermore, the report reveals that the Obama administration put on more than 200 “roadshows” across the world where they encouraged foreign financial institutions to do business with Iran “as long as the rest of the world left the United States out of it.” According to the report, during a roadshow in London, OFAC Director John Smith “downplayed the likelihood of any future penalties or fines,” telling the audience “that 95% of the time OFAC sees an apparent violation it results in a simple warning letter or no enforcement action.”

In other words, the Obama administration: (1) told Congress it would not allow Iran access to U.S. financial institutions; (2) issued a special license allowing Iran to do exactly that; (3) unsuccessfully pressured U.S. banks to help Iran; (4) lied to Congress and the American people about what it had done; (5) admitted in internal emails that these efforts “exceeded” U.S. obligations under the nuclear deal; (6) sent officials, including bank regulators, around the world to urge foreign financial institutions to do business with Iran; and (7) promised that they would get nothing more than a slap on the wrist for violating U.S. sanctions.

How bad is this? Remove the words “Obama” and “Iran” and replace them with “Trump” and “Russia” and imagine the outrage that would ensue over the same revelations. Democrats would be holding news conferences, and the story would be front-page news.

We hear a lot these days from the media about the danger of presidential lies. Well, when it comes to the Iran deal, the Obama administration took lying to new heights. And no, that’s not Fake News.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...4e693b38637_story.html?utm_term=.df2504cfa3d9

 

[exGOPer]

So do You think there was a reason they returned it in Cash? where do you think it went? Do you think the government reappropriated it to the people who lost it?

Also on the inside the snake Obama was trying to get sanctions lifted with no one noticing.
Is the Washington Post lying too or is that too right wing?

Imagine how badly the leftwing would lose their shit if Trump was negotiating like this.

Obama took lying to new heights with the Iran deal

When it comes to the Iran nuclear deal, the Obama administration increasingly appears to have been a bottomless pit of deception.

First, President Barack Obama failed to disclose to Congress the existence of secret side deals on inspections when he transmitted the nuclear accord to Capitol Hill. (They were only uncovered by chance when then-Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-Kan.) and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) learned about them during a meeting with International Atomic Energy Agency officials in Vienna.) Then, we learned that the Obama administration had secretly sent a plane to Tehran loaded with $400 million in Swiss francs, euros and other currencies on the same day Iran released four American hostages, which was followed by two more secret flights carrying another $1.3 billion in cash.

Now, in a bombshell revelation, Republicans on the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, led by Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), have revealed in a new report that the Obama administration secretly tried to help Iran use U.S. banks to convert $5.7 billion in Iranian assets, after promising Congress that Iran would not get access to the U.S. financial system — and then lied to Congress about what it had done. (Full disclosure: My wife works for Portman).

In July 2015, Obama Treasury Secretary Jack Lew assured the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that, under the nuclear accord, Iran “will continue to be denied access to the [U.S.] financial and commercial market” and that “Iranian banks will not be able to clear U.S. dollars through New York, hold correspondent account relationships with U.S. financial institutions, or enter into financing arrangements with U.S. banks.” A few weeks later, one of Lew’s top deputies, Adam Szubin, used the exact same words in testimony to the Senate banking committee.

But Senate investigators found that on Feb. 24, 2016, the Obama Treasury Department “granted a specific license that authorized a conversion of Iranian assets worth billions of U.S. dollars using the U.S. financial system” — exactly what Lew and Szubin said would not happen — including unlimited future Iranian deposits at Bank Muscat in Oman until the license expired.

Not only that, Senate investigators found that officials from the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), which regulates U.S. banks’ compliance with U.S. sanctions law, “encouraged two U.S. correspondent banks to convert the funds.” The report says “both banks declined to complete the transaction due to compliance, reputational, and legal risks associated with doing business with Iran.”


3:46

Trump is pulling the U.S. out of the Iran deal. What's next?
The Post’s Alan Sipress and Karen DeYoung explain how President Trump’s decision might affect an already tense Middle East.(Sarah Parnass, Joyce Lee/The Washington Post)

Then, after issuing the license, the Obama administration explicitly denied to Congress that it had done so. Lew and Szubin both failed to disclose the license in congressional testimony while continuing to assert that the Obama administration would not give Iran access to U.S. financial institutions — when they had just tried to do so. And in a June 2016 letter to Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), Treasury officials declared “The U.S. Department of Treasury is not working on behalf of Iran to enable Iranian access to U.S. dollars elsewhere in the international financial system, nor are we assisting Iran in gaining access to dollar payment systems outside the U.S. financial system. The Administration has not been and is not planning to grant Iran access to the U.S. financial system.” This was patently false.

Investigators also found internal State Department emails, in which officials admitted that the Obama administration had “exceeded our JCPOA commitments” by authorizing Iranian access to U.S. banks. Furthermore, the report reveals that the Obama administration put on more than 200 “roadshows” across the world where they encouraged foreign financial institutions to do business with Iran “as long as the rest of the world left the United States out of it.” According to the report, during a roadshow in London, OFAC Director John Smith “downplayed the likelihood of any future penalties or fines,” telling the audience “that 95% of the time OFAC sees an apparent violation it results in a simple warning letter or no enforcement action.”

In other words, the Obama administration: (1) told Congress it would not allow Iran access to U.S. financial institutions; (2) issued a special license allowing Iran to do exactly that; (3) unsuccessfully pressured U.S. banks to help Iran; (4) lied to Congress and the American people about what it had done; (5) admitted in internal emails that these efforts “exceeded” U.S. obligations under the nuclear deal; (6) sent officials, including bank regulators, around the world to urge foreign financial institutions to do business with Iran; and (7) promised that they would get nothing more than a slap on the wrist for violating U.S. sanctions.

How bad is this? Remove the words “Obama” and “Iran” and replace them with “Trump” and “Russia” and imagine the outrage that would ensue over the same revelations. Democrats would be holding news conferences, and the story would be front-page news.

We hear a lot these days from the media about the danger of presidential lies. Well, when it comes to the Iran deal, the Obama administration took lying to new heights. And no, that’s not Fake News.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...4e693b38637_story.html?utm_term=.df2504cfa3d9

LOL, your entire tirade is based on a op-ed by Theisen who cheerled the Iraq war based on some Republican 'finding' led by the liar who lied about sarcastic texts between FBI agents - now the same neoCons are trying to start a new war with Iran with conflict already escalating in the ME while you bitch about non-existent NK threats - what has NK ever done other than talk shit like your messiah? Give me a break, if lying was your standard, why do you believe anything the orange clown says?

 

[Max E.]

LOL, your entire tirade is based on a op-ed by Theiseen who cheerlead the Iraq war - the same neoCons are trying to start a new war with Iran with conflict already escalating in the ME while you bitch about non-existent NK threats - what has NK ever done other than talk shit like your messiah?

Which part of it is false?

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

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"Spike Trader, post: 4671898, member: 30569"]I think it was CO who suggested get him a jet Max , but he really shouldn't be talking about building condos and hotels at this early stage , maybe he was just joking , who knows . . . . we'll see what happens. .


‘What is wrong with him?’: MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace bursts into laughter over Trump’s bizarre attempts at diplomacy

Nice contortions. Even more impressive than Rachel Maddow's funny faces. Jim Carey step aside because the American news media got talent.

For those who use facts to evaluate situations, read below:

While the Singapore summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has sparked a range of emotions, one moment, in particular, elicited a reaction from one MSNBC panel that you don’t expect from nuclear weapons negotiations: outbursts of laughter.
So the news reporter is becoming the news herself? Impressive to some?

On the show “Deadline: White House,” host Nicolle Wallace could barely keep it together while listening to comments Trump made after the meeting about North Korea’s real estate prospects.

“They have great beaches,” Trump said of the autocratic regime. “You see that whenever they’re exploding their cannons into the ocean, right? I said, ‘Boy, look at that! Wouldn’t that make a great condo!’ And I explained, I said, you know, ‘Instead of doing that, you could have the greatest hotels in the world.’ Think of it from a real estate perspective!”
Trump is comparing to the way things are now to what they could be after a successful negotiation. North Korea has great economic development potential. This implies Trump has thoughts beyond a peace treaty. He has thoughts of a possible trade agreement with North Korea. This trade agreement would likely involve Russian resources, Chinese manufacturing, and South Korean labor and manufacturing. No wonder Trump is talking about Russia joining G7.

“I can’t! Stop, come out,” Wallace said to the control room. She was so stunned by the video — especially by the phrase “exploding the cannons” — that she had them play it again.

“So when they’re testing their ICBMs, I’m thinking: ‘What a spot! It could be like Boca!” she said. “What is that? What is wrong with him?”
Trump appears to be going for a diplomatic grandslam and the Radical Left sees this as a cringe worthy event.

Although some may choose to lay down on the track in front of this Trump Train, I sure at least some will pick themselves up and hop on board.

 

[exGOPer]

Which part of it is false?

The part where PORTMAN is doing the investigating


Johnson is now backing off his claim of an "informant" even more, conceding it might have been a joke. "It's a real possibility," he told CNN.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-gops-silly-secret-society-conspiracy-theory/

Always remember, Republicans are always lying about everything and anything - you think Portman didn't knew what the texts were before he spouted off the conspiracy? The same guy found 'secret evidence' that he hasn't released yet for public scrutiny? Sure, go with that.

 

[exGOPer]

Reply inline below:

"Spike Trader, post: 4671898, member: 30569"]I think it was CO who suggested get him a jet Max , but he really shouldn't be talking about building condos and hotels at this early stage , maybe he was just joking , who knows . . . . we'll see what happens. .


‘What is wrong with him?’: MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace bursts into laughter over Trump’s bizarre attempts at diplomacy

Nice contortions. Even more impressive than Rachel Maddow's funny faces. Jim Carey step aside because the American news media got talent.

For those who use facts to evaluate situations, read below:

While the Singapore summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has sparked a range of emotions, one moment, in particular, elicited a reaction from one MSNBC panel that you don’t expect from nuclear weapons negotiations: outbursts of laughter.
So the news reporter is becoming the news herself? Impressive to some?

On the show “Deadline: White House,” host Nicolle Wallace could barely keep it together while listening to comments Trump made after the meeting about North Korea’s real estate prospects.

“They have great beaches,” Trump said of the autocratic regime. “You see that whenever they’re exploding their cannons into the ocean, right? I said, ‘Boy, look at that! Wouldn’t that make a great condo!’ And I explained, I said, you know, ‘Instead of doing that, you could have the greatest hotels in the world.’ Think of it from a real estate perspective!”
Trump is comparing to the way things are now to what they could be after a successful negotiation. North Korea has great economic development potential. This implies Trump has thoughts beyond a peace treaty. He has thoughts of a possible trade agreement with North Korea. This trade agreement would likely involve Russian resources, Chinese manufacturing, South Korean labor and manufacturing. No wonder Trump is talking about Russia joining G7.

“I can’t! Stop, come out,” Wallace said to the control room. She was so stunned by the video — especially by the phrase “exploding the cannons” — that she had them play it again.

“So when they’re testing their ICBMs, I’m thinking: ‘What a spot! It could be like Boca!” she said. “What is that? What is wrong with him?”
Trump appears to be going for a diplomatic grandslam and the Radical Left sees this as a cringe worthy event.

Although some may choose to lay down on the track in front of this Trump Train, I sure at least some will pick themselves up and hop on board.

Learn to properly quote, your posts are hard to respond with this format, that's why I don't even try.

 

[Max E.]

The part where PORTMAN is doing the investigating


Johnson is now backing off his claim of an "informant" even more, conceding it might have been a joke. "It's a real possibility," he told CNN.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-gops-silly-secret-society-conspiracy-theory/

Always remember, Republicans are always lying about everything and anything - you think Portman didn't knew what the texts were before he spouted off the conspiracy? The same guy found 'secret evidence' that he hasn't released yet for public scrutiny? Sure, go with that.

LOL so the part that had nothing to do with Obama, ok buddy, its widely reported what happened with obama, if Trump even came close to negotiating like Obama did the entire left wing media would lose their fucking shit,(even worse than they currently are) rightfully so.