Trumpies kill black man out on a jog

[Bugenhagen]

He had law enforcement training in the Coast Guard. At least an hour of testimony on that. Seemed to have a lot of expertise.

I'll have a look but you can have as much theoretical knowledge as you want, I have years of real arrests and that little man fucked up.

He absolutely had no call to produce a gun to threaten an unarmed person who at best committed a misdemeanor. Yhe police were a minute away at that's stage and he fucked up the "arrest" so no expertise as you say shown.

He could and should have just stayed in the truck and followed him some more.

He needs to be made an example of to get it into people's thick heads which are now filled with ideas they should not be having.

 

[ipatent]

I'll have a look but you can have as much theoretical knowledge as you want, I have years of real arrests and that little man fucked up.

He absolutely had no call to produce a gun to threaten an unarmed person who at best committed a misdemeanor. Yhe police were a minute away at that's stage and he fucked up the "arrest" so no expertise as you say shown.

He could and should have just stayed in the truck and followed him some more.

He needs to be made an example of to get it into people's thick heads which are now filled with ideas they should not be having.

I tend to agree with you about that. Seems like they got caught up in the excitement of the chase. They saw Arbery running when he left the house under construction, this may have gotten their pursuit adrenaline flowing. They saw him there a few days before, and he lifted his shirt and reached into his waistband like he had a gun. They thought he might be armed, which is another reason it was a bad idea to chase him. Just call 911.

Travis also had a gun stolen from his car during the neighborhood crime wave. He was probably still mad about that.

 

[Overnight]

I tend to agree with you about that. Seems like they got caught up in the excitement of the chase. They saw Arbery running when he left the house under construction, this may have gotten their pursuit adrenaline flowing. They saw him there a few days before, and he lifted his shirt and reached into his waistband like he had a gun. They thought he might be armed, which is another reason it was a bad idea to chase him. Just call 911.

Travis also had a gun stolen from his car during the neighborhood crime wave. He was probably still mad about that.

I have a feeling this trial's conclusion is not going to have the same ending as the Rittenhouse trial.

 

[Bugenhagen]

="ipatent, post: 5492384, member: 117886" Seemed to have a lot of expertise.

By his own words he lost situational awareness as he was being overpowered by the victim who was reacting instinctively. They flight or fight* This being with the shotgun he should absolutely not have had in his hands to have taken off him.

For all practical purposes he was a mallninja and got over his head exactly as I described. Just because you have a bit of training does not mean you are trained, or stay trained.

By this logic as I completed sniper school over 20 years ago I.. Ah forget it. Mention guns around mall ninjas and it never ends.

*and he had already done the flight so overtly threatened, fight was his only natural next step.

 

[ipatent]

who was reacting instinctively

Not a bright idea to try to grab a gun someone is holding on you, either.

 

[Bugenhagen]

Not a bright idea to try to grab a gun someone is holding on you, either.

Are you an adult or a kid? Are you seriously thinking somebody chased down like that is working on the level of "ideas"?

Again, so it gets into your thick skull, people react instinctively, a trained competent & practiced person knows this and is ready for it. He should have stayed in the truck, he absolutely shouldn't have brought a shotgun into the situation.

An example needs to be made to discourage mall ninjaery.

 

[ipatent]

An example needs to be made

I don't agree with that, although it may be appropriate to convict on some charges. Trials are based on the law and the facts, not setting examples, except on a very indirect policy level.

These are real lives that deserve no less.

But I agree he should have stayed in the truck and in contact with 911.

 

[Bugenhagen]

I don't agree with that, although it may be appropriate to convict on some charges. Trials are based on the law and the facts, not setting examples, except on a very indirect policy level.

These are real lives that deserve no less.

But I agree he should have stayed in the truck and in contact with 911.

I'm afraid what we call justice is almost completely about making examples.

The sentence needs to be stiff enough to make other mall ninjas, Dunning Kruger Kops wary but also needs to be explained why what Travis did was just so stupid. I don't think he needs a massive sentence but at least five years.

 

[Mercor]

I'm afraid what we call justice is almost completely about making examples.

The sentence needs to be stiff enough to make other mall ninjas, Dunning Kruger Kops wary but also needs to be explained why what Travis did was stupid. I don't think he needs a massive sentence but at least five years.

The gun is there to protect against an unknown situation
You're assuming the suspect was not violent or was not packing a gun
This suspect was repeatedly trespassing , with no motive?? who knows

its the same when a cop does a traffic stop
If the driver cooperates then no weapon is needed....If the driver has warrants for murder....The cop will need the gun

This suspect was violating personal property, this shows a willingness to not follow the norms of society .....you have to approach him with caution

 

[Bugenhagen]

The gun is there to protect against an unknown situation
You're assuming the suspect was not violent or was not packing a gun
This suspect was repeatedly trespassing , with no motive?? who knows

its the same when a cop does a traffic stop
If the driver cooperates then no weapon is needed....If the driver has warrants for murder....The cop will need the gun

This suspect was violating personal property, this shows a willingness to not follow the norms of society .....you have to approach him with caution

They chased him in two trucks for several minutes up and down the street you idiot, you think he was perhaps armed the time...

He trespassed into a house under construction, took nothing but a drink of water = producing a shotgun is not reasonable. This is actual assault under the law and the victim's reaction was predictable to anyone trained with experience. Shh but McMichael Jr was a coast guard mechanic.

Your understanding is from your silly little man's imagination and TV shows confabulated with reality by that IQ 90 on a good day brain of yours.