Trumper's won't get vaccinated. Want to stay locked down forever
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Your retard narrative is clear:
Covid is an existential threat to the public, therefore, we are justified in taking away people’s freedoms, their economy and their privacy.
No crisis, especially a niggling respiratory virus that will be with us till end times, justifies handing over our civil liberties in response.
I assume you approve taking action against China for releasing this on the world?
It's like the only arguments your team has on these subjects are logical fallacies.
What Trump or Biden or Fauci have to say has no bearing on on the fact there is very little or no documented spread of Covid outdoors, from asymptomatics or through the air. Why would anyone care with what Trump or Biden or Fauci has to say if they don't have the data to back it up.
What Trump or Biden or Fauci have to say has no bearing on on the fact there is very little or no documented spread of Covid outdoors, from asymptomatics or through the air. Why would anyone care with what Trump or Biden or Fauci has to say if they don't have the data to back it up.
There are numerous studies and practical examples (remember the WH Rose Garden) showing that COVDI-19 spreads outdoors in settings where people are not socially distanced and not wearing masks. There are numerous reports of outdoor spread at BLM protests and large outdoor gatherings (e.g. spring break, concerts) over the past year. In the Carolinas we constantly got health warnings from cities after BLM outdoor protests about COVID outbreaks.
While it is true that COVID is much more likely to spread indoors (some studies say 19 times more likely) -- there is still significant risk of outdoor spread of COVID at events like the Florida spring break and biker rally being held recently.
the rallies themselves are not immune... people who are outdoors obviously also go indoors.
what is missing is the data showing the spread happens outdoors.
I can tell you why...
1. it spreads mostly if not entirely through droplets ... ask the CDC
2. it takes minutes of exposure for healthy people to catch it... ask doctors.
what is missing is the data showing the spread happens outdoors.
I can tell you why...
1. it spreads mostly if not entirely through droplets ... ask the CDC
2. it takes minutes of exposure for healthy people to catch it... ask doctors.
by the way... produce the studies...
if they are good I will adjust my statements and beliefs.
so far everyone I have seen supporting you theory is based on speculations
if they are good I will adjust my statements and beliefs.
so far everyone I have seen supporting you theory is based on speculations
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On e showing outdoor spread linked in the text (first link)... A second study linked in the text shows that indoor spread is 19 times more likely than outdoor.
Outdoor and indoor spread of COVID has been coverd in dozens of studies now -- a simple Google search will find hundreds of thousands of references to COVID outdoor/indoor spread studies. This includes studies showing actual events as well as studies performed in labs.
COVID-19 is no longer an excuse to stay inside: Here's what to know about outdoor safety
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...at-know-safety-masks-warm-weather/4642329001/
A new tool to fight COVID-19 is on the rise across the United States: warm, fresh air.
Spring and summer weather will provide opportunities for people – vaccinated or not – to enjoy low-risk outdoor activities to better their physical and mental health, experts say.
It's a development in the fight against COVID-19 because experts are now confident that it's much harder for the virus to spread in outdoor conditions – especially when people wear masks and keep their distance.
“There (was) a lot of fear in the early parts of the pandemic because we didn’t know how it spread,” Gleb Tsipursky, author of a book about adapting to "the new abnormal" of COVID-19, told USA TODAY.
That uncertainty was at play last year as states closed beaches and parks and has continued to influence policy this year. In February, University of California, Berkeley made headlines for banning outdoor exercise.
But research has shown that simple precautions are usually enough to keep you safe from COVID-19 when outside, experts say.
“Outdoors are not only safe but really, really important," said Nooshin Razani, a University of California, San Francisco professor of epidemiology and biostatistics.
Razani co-wrote a systematic review of studies on indoor versus outdoor spread of COVID-19 and similar viruses. That widely cited study found there was about a 20 times higher chance of transmission indoors than outdoors.
Razani is among the experts hoping to encourage Americans to spend more time outside in the coming weeks.
“When I see people on a beach, I feel good that they’re not gathering indoors," Razani said.
Can COVID-19 spread outside?
COVID-19 can spread outside, but it spreads much more easily inside.
Indoor spread is so pervasive that researchers, including Razani, have struggled to document clear examples of outdoor transmission. That's in part because many situations where the virus may spread outside also have an indoor component – a summer camp, for example.
It's relatively easy for a highly contagious respiratory virus to spread inside: particles, often from infected people not yet showing symptoms, easily build up in uncirculated air, Tsipursky and Razani explained.
Indoor spaces contain recycled air: “You’re all exposed to the same air ... that should freak people out,” Razani said.
What is safe to do outside?
Experts are generally hesitant to label any activity completely safe because a host of factors are at play.
Going for a walk on a beach with members of your family? That's almost certainly safe.
Watch: Here are the most startling COVID-19 statistics from the last year
Lounging on the beach all day close by a bunch of maskless friends? That would likely make health experts uncomfortable.
“It’s hard to give rules," said Dr. David P. Eisenman, a professor of medicine and public health with University of California, Los Angeles' Fielding School of Public Health.
Eisenman and other experts agreed: Standard COVID-19 precautions – especially keeping your distance and wearing a mask – are especially effective at keeping you safe from the virus when spending time outside.
You are “very, very unlikely to catch COVID” if you’re keeping socially distant outside and wearing a mask when you can, Tsipursky said.
Exercising outdoors with members of your household is among the most commonly cited examples of a safe activity. (And Eisenman encourages anyone worried about catching the virus from an unmasked passerby to let that worry go: That's “not going to pose a risk to you.”)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...at-know-safety-masks-warm-weather/4642329001/
A new tool to fight COVID-19 is on the rise across the United States: warm, fresh air.
Spring and summer weather will provide opportunities for people – vaccinated or not – to enjoy low-risk outdoor activities to better their physical and mental health, experts say.
It's a development in the fight against COVID-19 because experts are now confident that it's much harder for the virus to spread in outdoor conditions – especially when people wear masks and keep their distance.
“There (was) a lot of fear in the early parts of the pandemic because we didn’t know how it spread,” Gleb Tsipursky, author of a book about adapting to "the new abnormal" of COVID-19, told USA TODAY.
That uncertainty was at play last year as states closed beaches and parks and has continued to influence policy this year. In February, University of California, Berkeley made headlines for banning outdoor exercise.
But research has shown that simple precautions are usually enough to keep you safe from COVID-19 when outside, experts say.
“Outdoors are not only safe but really, really important," said Nooshin Razani, a University of California, San Francisco professor of epidemiology and biostatistics.
Razani co-wrote a systematic review of studies on indoor versus outdoor spread of COVID-19 and similar viruses. That widely cited study found there was about a 20 times higher chance of transmission indoors than outdoors.
Razani is among the experts hoping to encourage Americans to spend more time outside in the coming weeks.
“When I see people on a beach, I feel good that they’re not gathering indoors," Razani said.
Can COVID-19 spread outside?
COVID-19 can spread outside, but it spreads much more easily inside.
Indoor spread is so pervasive that researchers, including Razani, have struggled to document clear examples of outdoor transmission. That's in part because many situations where the virus may spread outside also have an indoor component – a summer camp, for example.
It's relatively easy for a highly contagious respiratory virus to spread inside: particles, often from infected people not yet showing symptoms, easily build up in uncirculated air, Tsipursky and Razani explained.
Indoor spaces contain recycled air: “You’re all exposed to the same air ... that should freak people out,” Razani said.
What is safe to do outside?
Experts are generally hesitant to label any activity completely safe because a host of factors are at play.
Going for a walk on a beach with members of your family? That's almost certainly safe.
Watch: Here are the most startling COVID-19 statistics from the last year
Lounging on the beach all day close by a bunch of maskless friends? That would likely make health experts uncomfortable.
“It’s hard to give rules," said Dr. David P. Eisenman, a professor of medicine and public health with University of California, Los Angeles' Fielding School of Public Health.
Eisenman and other experts agreed: Standard COVID-19 precautions – especially keeping your distance and wearing a mask – are especially effective at keeping you safe from the virus when spending time outside.
You are “very, very unlikely to catch COVID” if you’re keeping socially distant outside and wearing a mask when you can, Tsipursky said.
Exercising outdoors with members of your household is among the most commonly cited examples of a safe activity. (And Eisenman encourages anyone worried about catching the virus from an unmasked passerby to let that worry go: That's “not going to pose a risk to you.”)
read your link...
its garbage... based on models.
"Using computer modeling, she created a real-time, high-fidelity simulation of a virus-filled cough "
its garbage... based on models.
"Using computer modeling, she created a real-time, high-fidelity simulation of a virus-filled cough "