It is a bold statement. And its very true. Its not a blanket statement, but its pretty close.
We came from a different time. I'm talking about today. The here and now. And its very true.
Trump to steal 1/2 million kids' school lunches
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We came from a different time. I'm talking about today. The here and now. And its very true.
What I see here is a triumvirate between Ocho, Vanz and Here4.
I understand Vanz's passion on this. He's on about poor families spending the food stamp money on bits other than the food for kids' lunches. Like illicit stuff. The others are then retorting with misconceptions about that, and couching it all on poor families.
And we have...
Wow, I am getting sleepy right quick on this, so fast. Losing energy to try to have you guys make peace...
Stop fighting! Oy!
I understand Vanz's passion on this. He's on about poor families spending the food stamp money on bits other than the food for kids' lunches. Like illicit stuff. The others are then retorting with misconceptions about that, and couching it all on poor families.
And we have...
from Here4...
Wow, I am getting sleepy right quick on this, so fast. Losing energy to try to have you guys make peace...
Stop fighting! Oy!
100%
Food is so cheap and plentiful that in order to be unable to feed your family a lot of bad life choices must have been made. Or one is in a state of mental incapacitation in which case they should receive significant help and not be head of a household.
School lunches protect many children with delinquent or other guardians from harm. It is not a whole lot of subsidy for a hell of a lot of benefit.
The link in the original post has been completely refuted. It is 100% pure horseshit and narrative spinning, and Here4money had done it before, with this very link.
Here is my response:
Here is my response:
As with all of these news posts, the story isn't exactly how they make it seem.
The states make money on SNAP. They use loopholes to register individuals for SNAP and those individuals do not always collect the SNAP dollars. Some that do also would not qualify for SNAP at all were they to be vetted for the program through the right procedures. They simply qualify for SNAP dollars because they happen to qualify for other temporary assistance dollars. Through an adjustment made (back in 2008, if I recall) the states were allowed to qualify folks for SNAP through "Broad based categorical eligibility" requirements. Meaning if someone met the requirements of another program on a temporary basis, they automatically qualified and bypassed the requirements for SNAP.
For example, and this was detailed during the public spectacle of the "Minnesota Millionaire", a person could be completely well off with savings in the bank, but because they would be eligible for state assistance programs based on income, they would automatically qualify for SNAP as well. If this individual tried to apply for SNAP by itself, the process in which eligibility would be considered would take into account bank savings as well as income, whereas state run programs did not.
This is the problem, and there is wasteful spend being addressed by it. Don't believe the bullshit you read in posts or articles like this. People who don't need SNAP get SNAP right now, I've posted on this exact scenario that I experienced when working at my last company and a woman who made over 150k a year had her parent's SNAP cards and was using them to buy groceries regularly. When I questioned her, she said "they are entitled to the money and they qualified through the state". But because it was a state program loophole (the Broad based categorical eligibility) the state did not check and see that her parents lived with her and she supported them and was in no way qualified for benefits.
People will lose benefits under this new - and correct - proposal. And if they truly need and qualify for SNAP, they can go right back on the program. The right way.
Stop the bullshit.
The states make money on SNAP. They use loopholes to register individuals for SNAP and those individuals do not always collect the SNAP dollars. Some that do also would not qualify for SNAP at all were they to be vetted for the program through the right procedures. They simply qualify for SNAP dollars because they happen to qualify for other temporary assistance dollars. Through an adjustment made (back in 2008, if I recall) the states were allowed to qualify folks for SNAP through "Broad based categorical eligibility" requirements. Meaning if someone met the requirements of another program on a temporary basis, they automatically qualified and bypassed the requirements for SNAP.
For example, and this was detailed during the public spectacle of the "Minnesota Millionaire", a person could be completely well off with savings in the bank, but because they would be eligible for state assistance programs based on income, they would automatically qualify for SNAP as well. If this individual tried to apply for SNAP by itself, the process in which eligibility would be considered would take into account bank savings as well as income, whereas state run programs did not.
This is the problem, and there is wasteful spend being addressed by it. Don't believe the bullshit you read in posts or articles like this. People who don't need SNAP get SNAP right now, I've posted on this exact scenario that I experienced when working at my last company and a woman who made over 150k a year had her parent's SNAP cards and was using them to buy groceries regularly. When I questioned her, she said "they are entitled to the money and they qualified through the state". But because it was a state program loophole (the Broad based categorical eligibility) the state did not check and see that her parents lived with her and she supported them and was in no way qualified for benefits.
People will lose benefits under this new - and correct - proposal. And if they truly need and qualify for SNAP, they can go right back on the program. The right way.
Stop the bullshit.
Link to proof of refuting?
He is so GWBtrading some days. Link please.
Here is the USDA's announcement of the proposal back in July.
https://www.usda.gov/media/press-re...ses-close-snap-automatic-eligibility-loophole
Here's a good read on the subject that talks to precisely what I referred to.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/28/trump-administration-submits-proposal-to-end-food-stamps-loophole/
And here is a google search with many articles to read to learn more about "Broad Based Categorical Eligibility" and the loophole I was referring to. Take your pick.
That's only reinforcing what was posted in the OP, removing the eligibility of kids under free lunch program who currently receive food stamps.
Except that the OP is a narrative designed to make people go "Trump is taking lunches from poor kids! Oh, the humanity!!" when the story is actually quite different, and the facts behind the move - omitted in the OP but clearly detailed in the links I provided - tell a different story.
As usual, it isn't that you are incorrect but that you are disingenuous with your selective use of providing only the facts that drive your narrative. Hell, that's your m.o.
1. Kids/families that lose SNAP benefits can immediately apply and get them back with little to no delay.
2. There are a good number of people exploiting the SNAP program because states allow them to through a loophole states have been exploiting for a long time.
3. The purpose of this is to close the loophole, not to rid people of SNAP.