Trump to get Nobel for Iran Deal

[TreeFrogTrader]

"How easy we forget. On November 19, 2015, the State Department sent a letter to then-Representative Mike Pompeo that severely undercuts the notion that the Iran deal represents any form of binding American commitment. It turns out that the Obama administration not only acknowledged that the deal wasn’t a treaty (obvious enough), but it also admitted that it wasn’t “an executive agreement” or even a “signed document.” Here are the key paragraphs:..." more at link.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-nuclear-deal-not-signed-document-not-binding/

Quite so. my similar post slid in ten seconds before yours.

 

[DTB2]

The Obama deal was a deal that Obama couldn't close. Had he closed the deal, we wouldn't be talking about it falling apart today. Quite simple actually.

 

[Poindexter]

The Marshal plan was only somewhat difficult to sell to the U.S. and it's allies. Nothing comparable to the diplomatic achievement of the Iran deal...

Not only is the U.S. the most hypocritical nation, it is also by far the worst terrorist nation.

Dude --if your Obamacare covers psychiatric help, I strongly encourage you to make maximum use of it.

P.S. Is there anyone in your household who can remove all sharp objects?

The first step in regaining respect from other nations is to recognize its faults.

Yeah, because that worked so well for the community organizer...

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Yes I do. The Marshal plan was only somewhat difficult to sell to the U.S. and it's allies. Nothing comparable to the diplomatic achievement of the Iran deal, and what is at stake -- Nuclear war. Diplomatically the Iran Deal was an Amazing achievement. Reagan Gorbachev INF, no comparison. I am speaking to the difficulty of getting an agreement. Tremendously difficult in the case of the Iran deal, and yet it was achieved.

John Kerry appears to be working as a lobbyist for Iran now to help salvage parts of the deal.

I thought the lefties were highly concerned about Americans colluding with our adversaries.

Guess not.

 

[piezoe]

The Iran deal was an amazing achievement in the fake deal sort of way. The "deal" was not signed by Iran.



"How easy we forget. On November 19, 2015, the State Department sent a letter to then-Representative Mike Pompeo that severely undercuts the notion that the Iran deal represents any form of binding American commitment. It turns out that the Obama administration not only acknowledged that the deal wasn’t a treaty (obvious enough), but it also admitted that it wasn’t “an executive agreement” or even a “signed document.” Here are the key paragraphs:..." more at link.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-nuclear-deal-not-signed-document-not-binding/

I also note... that it seems iran voted on a very different deal...


https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/10/iran-nuclear-deal-deception/

The Iranian parliamentary bill that “approved” the JCPOA reportedly is 1,000 pages long and has not yet been fully translated into English. According to Amir Taheri, an Iranian-born veteran Western journalist, the bill contains these provisions:

‐The elimination of Israel’s nuclear arsenal.

‐Forbids the inspection of any military site and the interviewing of any officers.

‐Calls for strengthening Iran’s defenses, especially by developing its missile arsenal.

‐Says the redesign of the Arak heavy-water reactor and its conversion to run on enriched uranium “are conditional to separate deals.” This refers to a JCPOA provision to alter the design and fueling of the Arak reactor so it produces less plutonium. This provision is significant because it implies either that other agreements need to be negotiated to carry out this part of the JCPOA or that undisclosed side deals concerning the Arak reactor exist.

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) assessed in an October 13, 2015 report that the Iranian parliament ratified “a nonexistent document,” not the JCPOA, because it called for sanctions against Iran to be cancelled and not to be reimposed. By contrast, the nuclear deal calls for sanctions to be suspended and to snap back in the event of Iranian noncompliance.

jem, I hate to burst your bubble, but for most treaties, especially bi-lateral agreements, there is no formal enforcement body, such as for example the WTO, that will come down on any nation that fails to live up to the agreement they have signed. And even when a nation party to an agreement for which there exists a enforcement body opts to pull out of the agreement, the consequences are up to that nations former counter parties. The option to quit an agreement at anytime, or within a specified time, is often even codified within the agreement, as in the series of Strategic Arms Limitations Treaties and interim agreements we executed with the old Soviet Union. In other words any agreement between nations is only as good as the word of the nations signing. Hence a nations reputation for following through on agreements is terrible important!; hence the Damage that Trump is doing to the the reputation of the United States of America is monumental in its ill effects, as is his ignorance.

 

[piezoe]

John Kerry appears to be working as a lobbyist for Iran now to help salvage parts of the deal.

I thought the lefties were highly concerned about Americans colluding with our adversaries.

Guess not.

the word collusion has a negative connotation so most would not use that word to describe efforts to keep the U.S. in the Iran agreement. A word that means much the same thing as collusion but with a positive connotation is "cooperation". This is the lovely thing about the English language, since it has by far the largest vocabulary of any language we are never at a loss to say what we mean if we take pains to select the right word.

 

[bone]

Whether it was an 'Executive Agreement" or a Treaty has no bearing on whether it can be scrapped without Congress's approval. cf, Carter and mutual Defense treaty with Taiwan, 1954.

Apparently it does because it was. Technically any executive order can be rescinded or left in place by a subsequent executive unless codified into law by the legislature.

Masterful, historically “greatest of all time” diplomatic agreements should have been approved by 2/3 Senate and formally called a Treaty.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

the word collusion has a negative connotation so most would not use that word to describe efforts to keep the U.S. in the Iran agreement. A word that means much the same thing as collusion but with a positive connotation is "cooperation". This is the lovely thing about the English language, since it has by far the largest vocabulary of any language we are never at a loss to say what we mean if we take pains to select the right word.

I see. Different vocabulary altogether for dems colluding. I am shocked.

Kerry is not a government official and he met with the Iranians and continues to meet with them and some of his meetings have been private.

Need I remind you that Sally Yates initiated her action against Flynn for a violation of the Logan Act? however ridiculous that was.

Nevermind. We see the gig.

Thanks though for assuring me that Kerry is not "colluding" with the Iranians but instead is just "cooperating" with them to help advance their goals. That helps a lot- OR NOT.

 

[bullmarket79]

Trump just signed the budget and now is trying to rescind some of it, we need to send father time back to the private sector and end the chaos he is inflicting on America. Make America Great Again and Dump the Chump

 

[DTB2]

Chaos, what chaos. I see progress on ALL fronts. Mission accomplished? No, but getting much better field position.