Don't forget Cuba too and Venezuela too.
Trump to get Nobel for Iran Deal
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Don't forget Cuba too and Venezuela too.
The United States is "by far the worst terrorist nation."
Wow, be careful there. The government could put you on a watchlist with that kind of talk.
There was nothing difficult about the Iran deal, because the primary regional stakeholders (other than Iran) were by design left out of the negotiations and terms of the settlement. In fact, the negotiations were incredibly brief - from March 26 to April 2, 2015 in Lausanne, Switzerland. The only parties to the negotiations were Iran and the P5+1 countries (China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States; plus Germany).
Israel, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) were left out of the negotiations and settlement framework. On April 2, 2015 the Gulf States and Israel were by necessity forced to become allies and wage what has essentially become a regional war against Iran for the past 37 months. They despised the fact that the P5+1 countries were enabling Iran to step up it's hostilities and export more terror and instability to it's immediate geographical neighbors.
Note that the Kingdoms of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia issued official press releases a couple days ago stating that "Israel has a 'right' to defend itself" ** after Israel launched overnight strikes on Iranian targets in Syria. That is a remarkable turn of events truly of historic proportions in the Middle East.
**Bahrain Foreign Minister Khalid bin Ahmed Al Khalifa wrote on Twitter Thursday that so long as Iran uses its forces and missiles to try and destabilize the region, “it is the right of any country in the region, including Israel to defend itself by destroying sources of danger.”
Whether it was an 'Executive Agreement" or a Treaty has no bearing on whether it can be scrapped without Congress's approval. cf, Carter and mutual Defense treaty with Taiwan, 1954.
What are you saying, that it can or cannot be scrapped without Congressional approval?
News alert though. He just scrapped it.
That's a correct account as far as it goes but it omits the many months of diplomatic effort prior. And it would not have been difficult had Israel been a party; it would have been impossible. Why do you think that Obama worked together with Kerry to bring this about as an executive agreement rather than as a formal Treaty requiring Senate approval? Had it been attempted by the usual route it would not have been possible. It was an absolutely brilliant achievement. It achieved what on the surface appeared to be impossible. That is the point!!! It was an absolutely incredible achievement of international diplomacy. It was a huge step toward bringing Iran into the community of Western Nations; now all of this hard work is being trash-canned by our jackass President.
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Ir can be. And so can Formal Treaties approved by the Senate! Again, see Carter and 1954 Mutual Defense Treaty with Taiwan.
Americans just cut taxes because we are sick and tired of being the worlds policeman. These children will simply have to learn to grow up without us kissing there boo boos, Korea is not our problem either, bring our troops home from around the world. Even USA corporations over seas refuse to pay the taxes required to have America act as the worlds policeman.
Okay well, whatever then. He cancelled it and had the power to do it, so there is no issue there constitutionally. As part of faithfully executing the laws of the united states the president can determine when circumstances have changed such that a treaty may no longer apply or should not apply.
There is however a certain expectation that countries honor their treaties - so even though a president might be able to withdraw from a treaty the expectation is that a ratified treaty means that the country has put the good faith approval and good housekeeping seal on it. Not necessarily so for a "deal." So in some ways it is a word game and in other ways it isnt. When Obama went the shady route of avoiding treaty confirmation it was a clear signal to the other parties that support for it in the country was marginal but Obama overcame it by weaseling around- as with DACA. So they lose bitching rights in regard to the U.S pulling out of a treaty, even though they are hard at it. Take it up with Obama and his "deal."
Also the Iran Deal was the biggest piece of shit to come down the pike in decades, so if you could refrain from repetitively singing its praises while self-stimulating, it would be appreciated.
Thanking you in advance.
The Iran deal was an amazing achievement in the fake deal sort of way. The "deal" was not signed by Iran.
"How easy we forget. On November 19, 2015, the State Department sent a letter to then-Representative Mike Pompeo that severely undercuts the notion that the Iran deal represents any form of binding American commitment. It turns out that the Obama administration not only acknowledged that the deal wasn’t a treaty (obvious enough), but it also admitted that it wasn’t “an executive agreement” or even a “signed document.” Here are the key paragraphs:..." more at link.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-nuclear-deal-not-signed-document-not-binding/
I also note... that it seems iran voted on a very different deal...
https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/10/iran-nuclear-deal-deception/
The Iranian parliamentary bill that “approved” the JCPOA reportedly is 1,000 pages long and has not yet been fully translated into English. According to Amir Taheri, an Iranian-born veteran Western journalist, the bill contains these provisions:
‐The elimination of Israel’s nuclear arsenal.
‐Forbids the inspection of any military site and the interviewing of any officers.
‐Calls for strengthening Iran’s defenses, especially by developing its missile arsenal.
‐Says the redesign of the Arak heavy-water reactor and its conversion to run on enriched uranium “are conditional to separate deals.” This refers to a JCPOA provision to alter the design and fueling of the Arak reactor so it produces less plutonium. This provision is significant because it implies either that other agreements need to be negotiated to carry out this part of the JCPOA or that undisclosed side deals concerning the Arak reactor exist.
The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) assessed in an October 13, 2015 report that the Iranian parliament ratified “a nonexistent document,” not the JCPOA, because it called for sanctions against Iran to be cancelled and not to be reimposed. By contrast, the nuclear deal calls for sanctions to be suspended and to snap back in the event of Iranian noncompliance.
"How easy we forget. On November 19, 2015, the State Department sent a letter to then-Representative Mike Pompeo that severely undercuts the notion that the Iran deal represents any form of binding American commitment. It turns out that the Obama administration not only acknowledged that the deal wasn’t a treaty (obvious enough), but it also admitted that it wasn’t “an executive agreement” or even a “signed document.” Here are the key paragraphs:..." more at link.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-nuclear-deal-not-signed-document-not-binding/
I also note... that it seems iran voted on a very different deal...
https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/10/iran-nuclear-deal-deception/
The Iranian parliamentary bill that “approved” the JCPOA reportedly is 1,000 pages long and has not yet been fully translated into English. According to Amir Taheri, an Iranian-born veteran Western journalist, the bill contains these provisions:
‐The elimination of Israel’s nuclear arsenal.
‐Forbids the inspection of any military site and the interviewing of any officers.
‐Calls for strengthening Iran’s defenses, especially by developing its missile arsenal.
‐Says the redesign of the Arak heavy-water reactor and its conversion to run on enriched uranium “are conditional to separate deals.” This refers to a JCPOA provision to alter the design and fueling of the Arak reactor so it produces less plutonium. This provision is significant because it implies either that other agreements need to be negotiated to carry out this part of the JCPOA or that undisclosed side deals concerning the Arak reactor exist.
The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) assessed in an October 13, 2015 report that the Iranian parliament ratified “a nonexistent document,” not the JCPOA, because it called for sanctions against Iran to be cancelled and not to be reimposed. By contrast, the nuclear deal calls for sanctions to be suspended and to snap back in the event of Iranian noncompliance.
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