Trump to end family separation - democrats plunge into depression
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I don't know why, you'll have to ask them. Again, my position is that you can't take all people coming into the country, legally and otherwise, lump them all into one category called refugees and then expect an honest and accurate assessment of the economic impact of said group, good or bad.
Since the study does not make the distinction, I'll have to guess it includes both documented and undocumented immigrants. And even if you were not willing to make that leap and assume that the study only referred to "legal" immigrants, then perhaps this should give you some comfort:
https://www.unidosus.org/issues/immigration/resources/facts
Bottom line: in the aggregate, both documented and undocumented immigrants contribute to the economy.
Very poor study upon a quick read. Yes, illegals pay taxes. I would suspect considerably less taxes than those here legally simply because of the lower pay an illegal is likely to receive. Saying they, illegals, are less likely to commit crimes than natural born citizens is obviously a play with the numbers and percentages. Aside from the fact that all illegals have committed the initial crime of illegal entry, I would first ask is this conclusion based on all immigrants, both legal and illegal? It's highly unlikely that those who have entered through the legal procedure would have a higher crime rate that the illegals. Secondly to take a smaller number and compare to the overall population an then extrapolate a honest assessment of a crime rate comparison is absurd. Bottom line is that you just can't lump all immigrants together as these left leaning studies typically do. Break out the illegals from the legal and then tell me how much they contribute financially compared to the financial burden, and then we'll have something to have an honest debate about. The crime rate is more complicated and I'm certain that most illegals, aside from the illegal entry, are not committing any crimes at all, some are committing the same bullshit minor offenses that every group is subject to do, and then there are the violent criminals doing great harm to the communities in which they infiltrate. The financial burden of that is staggering, and the human toll is unspeakable. The border needs to be secured, and then a much more expedient immigration policy needs to be put in place so those many good people can at least come and find work here, and remake their lives.
Congratulations on having a cogent thought. Rarely do people on the right break down issues, let alone acknowledge differences within groups. Too much mindless stereotyping on the right from being force fed repetitive images on Fox News and social media.
Our froggy friend likes to qualify the undocumented and immigration policy around ms-13, as if that represents anything other than a small sliver of the undocumented population. Total fallacy. The vast majority of the undocumented are in good standing, hard working and contributing.
An economic impact that has to be considered is that for many, taxes aren’t being paid on the individual and business sides. That will significantly increase the cost of some foods and services. On the flip side, there will be significant but in.
Are there any reliable numbers on the amount of illegals that supposedly pay taxes? I'm not sure how this would work, as they would immediately out themselves as illegals. Most of them are probably paid cash wages, which would then suppose (if you believe the "illegals pay taxes" narrative) that illegals are filing to pay taxes on a cash income. I seriously doubt that.
I'm not saying there aren't any illegals paying taxes, but I suggest the percentage of those doing so is very, very low.
Couple that with the ones who cross the border and head straight for the welfare office... makes us look like fools for not stopping all of them from entering.
We had a reasonable immigration policy years ago. That all got pissed away for "non-American" political objectives.
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Couple that with the ones who cross the border and head straight for the welfare office... makes us look like fools for not stopping all of them from entering.
We had a reasonable immigration policy years ago. That all got pissed away for political objectives.
I don't know about that, either. I think the vast number of illegals that come across the border are generally looking for a good life. It is difficult to blame them. But I think the fact that they do not pay taxes is the reason the issue about taking resources (medical, schools, etc) is such a big deal. If they all paid taxes, at least they'd be contributors to the costs.
Half the people in the country already do not pay income tax at either the fed or the state level.
If we suddenly legalized a swarm of illegals coming across the border, how long you figure it would be - if ever before most of them reached the point where they were required to pay income taxes.
Oh, I see. Payroll taxes would then be captured in many instances which are not currently being captured, allegedly. So that they then would be contributing to a system that is going broke.
Nice.
We dont need any more free- range immigrants from mexico or central america or south. That little part of the diversity need- to the extent that there is such a need- has already been met. And if we need skilled labor- which we do- then that has to be a controlled process. Just as the Canadians do even though they try to keep it quiet because it drives them nuts when Americans say that we want a more restrictive immigration process just as the Canadians have.
The U.S. also has absolutely no treaty or legal requirement to extend blanket asylum to any central or south american residents. International law specifies that the asylum seeker must seek asylum in the next closest country where people are not trying to kill them. For almost all, that would be Mexico- although in theory they could migrate south as well. Once they go beyond Mexico to the U.S they become economic migrants, not asylum seekers. Out of the millions that arrive, there are some obvious exceptions so dont bother to list hypotheticals. I know them.
Just coming from a violent, shit-hole country is not in and of itself a basis for claiming asylum. I am opposed to the separation of families, but a good part of the solution is to speed up the adjudication process exponentially and dispense with the bullshit claims at lightening speed.
If we suddenly legalized a swarm of illegals coming across the border, how long you figure it would be - if ever before most of them reached the point where they were required to pay income taxes.
Oh, I see. Payroll taxes would then be captured in many instances which are not currently being captured, allegedly. So that they then would be contributing to a system that is going broke.
Nice.
We dont need any more free- range immigrants from mexico or central america or south. That little part of the diversity need- to the extent that there is such a need- has already been met. And if we need skilled labor- which we do- then that has to be a controlled process. Just as the Canadians do even though they try to keep it quiet because it drives them nuts when Americans say that we want a more restrictive immigration process just as the Canadians have.
The U.S. also has absolutely no treaty or legal requirement to extend blanket asylum to any central or south american residents. International law specifies that the asylum seeker must seek asylum in the next closest country where people are not trying to kill them. For almost all, that would be Mexico- although in theory they could migrate south as well. Once they go beyond Mexico to the U.S they become economic migrants, not asylum seekers. Out of the millions that arrive, there are some obvious exceptions so dont bother to list hypotheticals. I know them.
Just coming from a violent, shit-hole country is not in and of itself a basis for claiming asylum. I am opposed to the separation of families, but a good part of the solution is to speed up the adjudication process exponentially and dispense with the bullshit claims at lightening speed.
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