Trump Spells End of Republican Party And Beginning Of Long-Overdue Realignment

Twilight of the neoconservatives
The movement's unlikely 20-year reign over the GOP could now be coming to an end.
by Max Fisher on March 10, 2016



In the early winter months of 1998, in a series of drab meeting rooms in the Rayburn House Office Building near the Capitol in Washington, DC, a group of dissident conservative intellectuals, a tweeded and mostly forgotten faction of foreign policy thinkers calling themselves neoconservatives, scored the first in a series of surprise political coups that would lead them to the heights of power — and, within a few years, change the world.

The meeting rooms held what House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Sen. Bob Dole called the Congressional Policy Advisory Board. Gingrich had helped lead a Republican revolution in Congress a few years earlier, but the party had struggled to offer a substantive alternative to the Clinton administration, as Dole's failed 1996 presidential campaign had shown. They had recruited a new generation of Republicans, and now, with the policy board, they would to give those recruits an ideology.

The neoconservatives were unlikely candidates for Gingrich and Dole's project. Largely creatures of policy journals and university campuses, they had lost one debate after another during the Reagan and George H.W. Bush eras. Their agenda, tailored to the Cold War, had little obvious relevance to a post-Soviet world.

But in the mid-1990s, a small group of new-generation neoconservatives had busied themselves with remaking the movement, now focused on the Middle East rather than Europe. They fought for influence in conservative journals and think tanks, for the ears of congressional leaders and, eventually, fatefully, for a dominant share of seats at the policy board's first meeting in 1998.

The policy board was a crucial victory for the neoconservatives. It brought them from the margins of Washington conversation into its power centers. It allowed them to translate their ideas from lofty abstractions into black-and-white policy proposals. And it was part of their strategy to win power not so much by persuading voters, which can take years or decades, but by a hostile takeover of GOP institutions, nudging out the realists who'd traditionally dominated their party — many of whom were conspicuously absent from the policy board.

Later that year, as Bill Clinton struggled to hold on to the presidency amid the Monica Lewinsky scandal, the neoconservatives used the policy board to convince congressional Republicans to adopt a radical idea they had formed only that year: The United States should topple the Iraqi government.

The neoconservatives' case for Iraq was abstract and highly ideological, positing not that Saddam posed a substantial threat to the United States, but rather that removing him would allow democracy and pro-American politics to organically sweep the Middle East. The specifics of their argument hardly mattered; congressional Republicans saw an opportunity to embarrass Clinton on his Iraq policy, which in Washington was widely considered a failure.They passed the Iraq Liberation Act, which declared regime change as official US policy; a reluctant but embattled Clinton signed it.

Two years later, Texas Gov. George W. Bush became president. Moved by neoconservatism's idealistic faith in democracy and perhaps sympathetic to its fixation on Iraq — Saddam Hussein had attempted to assassinate Bush's father — Bush appointed neoconservative leaders, many from the policy board, to several top positions.

The once-fringe neoconservative movement, in the space of a few short years, had seized first their party's intellectual power centers, then its legislative agenda, and now the commanding heights of American leadership itself. Against all odds, they had won.

Today, less than two decades after seizing the Republican Party, they are on the verge of losing it. The party's two leading presidential candidates, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, are promising to break from neoconservatism — and voters seem to be responding.

Neoconservatives are fighting back, but they're losing. Republican elites might still support them, but the voters do not seem to.

On Monday, a number of leading neoconservatives, including some who had participated in the movement's rise to power, signed on to Sen. Marco Rubio's "National Security Advisory Council." That same day, CNN learned that some of Rubio's own staffers were urging him to quit the presidential race before the mid-March primary in his home state, if only to spare him the humiliation of his expected defeat.

Many neoconservatives, perhaps sensing they had no viable candidate to express their views for them, signed an open letter denouncing Trump. Others are threatening not just to oppose Trump, but to split with the party entirely and support Hillary Clinton.

Neoconservatives can threaten to quit the Republican Party, or warn that the party is diverging from their values, but it looks increasingly like they may have it backward: that it is the Republican Party, as constituted by its voters and their policy preferences, that is rejecting neoconservatives.

That might seem surprising. But when you look at the brief history of neoconservative reign over the Republican Party, it seems inevitable. If anything, it is surprising that it took this long.

What happened? How did this movement go, in only 20 short years, from dissident faction to conquering the party to seizing the White House to collapse and an imminent return to exile? How did neoconservatives lose their hold on the party?

Neoconservatives say that Donald Trump has left them without a political party of their own. But was the Republican Party ever really theirs? Or will we one day look back at the GOP's neoconservative era as something of a fluke, in which this highly ideological movement dominated the party for only about 20 years, and led American foreign policy for only four?

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What is often not understood is that Obama has continued the discredited neo-con policies in the middle east. The disastrous Libyan intervention, overthrowing Mubarek in Egypt, trying to overthrow Assad, continuing the failed Afghan occupation. All neo-con wet dreams that turned into disasters, for us and the region. Obama of course added his own flourishes with the suicidal Iran deal and trying to protect the muslim brotherhood goons in Egypt.

Now we have morons like Kasich wanting to get us involved in Ukraine and who knows where else. And they claim Trump is the loose cannon who would imperil us.
 
Watching the establishment republicans, it's easy to marvel at just how out of touch they are. Maybe, but I suspect there's something else at work. They will accept Trump as the nominee, but then they will do everything they can to undermine him, hoping for a massive defeat. Then we can expect pompous lectures about how his policies and tone caused the defeat and we must never ever doubt our party leaders again. Same deal as with Goldwater.

They know if they cheat Trump out of the nomination, we will exact terrible vengeance on them. Sabotaging Trump gives them a shot at a win-win however. They can placate us but set the stage to force the establishment agenda down our throats if he loses.
 
This idea has been mooted on these boards many times in the past. It seems the time may have finally come, fostered not so much by Trump himself but by the irrational opposition of party insiders, neo-con war mongers and self-described conservative intellectuals. They have demanded that we support their loser candidates, eg the Bushes, Bob Dole, McCain and Romney, but now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly it's different and they will have a tantrum if they can't get their way....

As Fleischer noted, Trump could just be a one-time personality cult phenomenon. If elected however, it's likely he would usher in a more far-reaching realignment. The dems would be the far left, euro-socialist party, the republicans the think tank conservative/country clubbers. and the Trumps would be a coalition of economic populists, nationalists and cultural traditionalists. When you contemplate the ramifications, you understand why the powers that be, in both parties, are so desperate to derail Trump.

There's alot going on. First, all the neocon hacks that brought America to it's knees are on the shit list. They are the ideological enemy. Marco Rubio's campaign slogan was "a new american millennia". Oddly reminiscent of the Project for a New American Century authored by a familiar constellation of neocon trash we seek to flush down the toilet.

Trump is just a suit. He means nothing. It's what he represents that means everything. All the outsiders have done is bring issues to the American people the establishment candidates refuse to address, because it threatens their Corporate sponsors. That's all. If Trump is eliminated or tarred-and-feathered, another outsider will emerge carrying the same banner and the Right will unite behind them. Carson perhaps?

What concerns me are the lessons from Barry Goldwater. Goldwater exposed the New World ORder and agenda for global government. The media were able to not just destroy his character, but destroy his entire message and movement. How did they do that? Destroying a man is one thing. Destroying an idea is quite another. To me, that's the real threat. That somehow populist nationalism will be smeared and made to look racist/evil/Hitlarian etc.
 
no one can say tax cuts would increase the deficit. As the last 4 sets of tax cuts has seen and increase in tax revenues to the govt.


Brownback. His tax cuts have resulted in multiple ratings downgrades and achieving only 56% of their state revenue projections. An abject failure.

Job losses: www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/yael-t-abouhalkah/article24965164.html

Nationally: www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24sun4.html?_r=0


What you have stated is categorically-false.

God, you are a clown.
 
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As Fleischer noted, Trump could just be a one-time personality cult phenomenon. If elected however, it's likely he would usher in a more far-reaching realignment. The dems would be the far left, euro-socialist party, the republicans the think tank conservative/country clubbers. and the Trumps would be a coalition of economic populists, nationalists and cultural traditionalists. When you contemplate the ramifications, you understand why the powers that be, in both parties, are so desperate to derail Trump.

Even if Trump wins, I doubt he'll be able to affect much change.... at best, merely slow the Lefty juggernaut for a time. His ideas for the country seem to be right, but the Left (both Dem and Republican) has its hooks deeply into our economy and culture.... and they won't be letting go without a gun to their heads.

I can see a president Trump getting no support from CONgress, fighting him at every turn (whereas Dems and Republicans alike swoon over every chance to kiss Obama's butt). Then when Trump's term is over, assuming he doesn't get assassinated before, the Left will crow about how he "couldn't get anything done".

Hope I'm wrong.

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What concerns me are the lessons from Barry Goldwater. Goldwater exposed the New World ORder and agenda for global government. The media were able to not just destroy his character, but destroy his entire message and movement. How did they do that? Destroying a man is one thing. Destroying an idea is quite another. To me, that's the real threat. That somehow populist nationalism will be smeared and made to look racist/evil/Hitlarian etc.

I agree. This is the big struggle behind all the Trump daily drama. It is crucial for the establishment to delegitimize Trump and his policies. They want him to lose big to Hillary so they can blame his immigration policy for the loss.
 
I"m only too happy that that little weasel Shapiro is out at Breitbart. Make every single republican take sides, so we'll know exactly who they are. No more hiding.

My fondest hope is that the republican party will be broken beyond repair and never ever be reconstituted in it's present form. Maybe then i'll vote again.
 
I"m only too happy that that little weasel Shapiro is out at Breitbart. Make every single republican take sides, so we'll know exactly who they are. No more hiding.

My fondest hope is that the republican party will be broken beyond repair and never ever be reconstituted in it's present form. Maybe then i'll vote again.


Weasel is such a fitting description for Shapiro, he would go around to trying to offend people showing how anti PC he was but then he was the first little baby to cry anti semitism, any time he got a negative response from people.
 
I was referring to the mellon, kennedy, reagan and bush tax cuts. The national tax cuts.
State tax cuts are a different story. They can take much longer to work because because people and business have more options and

Brownback. His tax cuts have resulted in multiple ratings downgrades and achieving only 56% of their state revenue projections. An abject failure.

Job losses: www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/yael-t-abouhalkah/article24965164.html

Nationally: www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24sun4.html?_r=0


What you have stated is categorically-false.

God, you are a clown.
 
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