Trump Pulls Out of North Korea Summit

Hey retarded Parrot..
he said Rick Santelli started the movement.....so he's wrong as fuck...

He might be your son - if you weren't an INCEL ready to drive a truck into a crowd because you can't get your hanglow stanked...

Hey baboon, the post you are quoting says

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UsualName said:
To echo Tony Stark’s point, where is the Tea Party now that Trump blew up the deficit?"


He didn't ask in THAT post about how it all started which is meaningless considering it was never a movement until Obama got elected, it was just a concept from Ron Paul who unlike you soulless dumb Cons is a consistent intellectual even though I don't agree with him on much.

Try again baboon.
 
That is just such a cheesy argument.
I was giving you the information and it supported it with a blog.
Its not an opinion its a fact that the founding fathers ideas were Classically Liberal. The only question is is when the name attached.

Do the reading of history.

You can't possible believe the founding fathers of America did not stress classical liberal ideas.
The United States founding was classical liberalism brought to life. Then it spread to France and then all over. Cmon man this is basic history for any educate person.

Just do the research... on the net or in the history books.

Plus, there is no reason to give wikipedia any more credence than a blog if it has not cited experts on the subject. It too is just the editor or writers opinion.

I’m sorry, sir, but you’re citing an opinion blog from a right wing web site, that is as confused as you are.

You can believe anything you want. You right wingers are good at living in a fantasy world.
 
here is more... this supports the idea that founding fathers ideas were classically liberal even if you wish date classical liberalism to the 19th century.



https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/classical_liberalism.htm

Classical liberalism

Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government.

The philosophy emerged as a response to the Industrial Revolution and urbanization in the 19th century in Europe and the United States.

It advocates civil liberties with a limited government under the rule of law, private property, and belief in laissez-faire economic policy.

Classical liberalism is built on ideas that had already arisen by the end of the 18th century, such as selected ideas of Adam Smith, John Locke, Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus, and David Ricardo.

It drew on a psychological understanding of individual liberty, the contradictory theories of natural law and utilitarianism, and a belief in progress.

Both modern American conservatism and social liberalism split from Classical Liberalism in the early 20th century.

At that time conservatives adopted the Classic Liberal beliefs in protecting economic civil liberties.

Conversely social liberals adopted the Classical Liberal belief in defending social civil liberties.

Neither ideology adopted the pure Classical Liberal belief that government exists to protect both social & economic civil liberties.

Conservatism shares an ideological agreement on limited government in the area of preventing government restriction against economic civil liberties as embodied in the ability of people to sell their goods, services or labor to anyone they choose free from restriction except in rare cases where society's general welfare is at stake.

One example of classic liberalism's beliefs regarding the role of government is found in Thomas Hobbes's theory that government was created by individuals to protect themselves from one another.
 
America was founded on these ideas.
The same ideas most conservatives still support today.


https://www.nolanchart.com/article7...radical-roots-of-the-american-revolution-html

What were our founding fathers? Were they Conservatives? Liberals? Monarchists? Anarchists? Many people have not even heard this term before, but most were what we call “Classical Liberals.”

But what is a Classical Liberal? I would put forward the following brief definition:

A classical liberal is a person who believes in the God-given natural rights of human beings to life, liberty and property; and understands that the purpose of government is to protect those rights to the extent that we as individuals can not efficiently do it ourselves. Crime is the forceful violation of another person's rights and the only legitimate circumstance to deprive a person of any of their rights is in response to their unlawful deprivation of another person's rights. And in all cases, the punishment should match the offense plus with extra compensation to the victim.

Classical Liberalism is a very simple philosophy that leaves no room for large, overbearing government. John Locke, who was a favorite philosopher of our founders, articulated the foundation of Classical Liberalism.

John Locke, Second Treatise on Civil Government, 1690

“TO understand political power right, and derive it from its original, we must consider, what state all men are naturally in, and that is, a state of perfect freedom to order their actions, and dispose of their possessions and persons, as they think fit, within the bounds of the law of nature, without asking leave, or depending upon the will of any other man. . .

The state of nature has a law of nature to govern it, which obliges every one: and reason, which is that law, teaches all mankind, who will but consult it, that being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions: for men being all the workmanship of one omnipotent, and infinitely wise maker; all the servants of one sovereign master, sent into the world by his order, and about his business; they are his property, whose workmanship they are, made to last during his, not one another's pleasure: and being furnished with like faculties, sharing all in one community of nature, there cannot be supposed any such subordination among us, that may authorize us to destroy one another, as if we were made for one another's uses, as the inferior ranks of creatures are for our's. . .”

So according to the law of nature, every person has natural rights, and with those rights come a right to defend them against aggression. Crime is the willful violation of another person's rights, which calls for like punishment. In nature, it would be the responsibility of the individual to carry out the punishment, but within society, people can organize themselves and institute an organization to take care of this so they can focus on more productive activities. That is the basis of proper civil government. It is an organization authorized by the citizenry to carry out punishment on those who violate the natural rights of others.

But what if a government ceases to fulfill that task and instead institutionalizes the violation of its citizens' rights? As Locke later put it,

“Wherever law ends, tyranny begins, if the law be transgressed to another's harm; and whosoever in authority exceeds the power given him by the law, and makes use of the force he has under his command to compass that upon the subject which the law allows not, ceases in that to be a magistrate, and acting without authority may be opposed, as any other man who by force invades the right of another.”

Some very strong words from a very brilliant man. But what did our founding fathers have to say on the topic?

Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776

“SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one. . . Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest. . .

. . .here too is the design and end of government, viz. Freedom and security. And however our eyes may be dazzled with show, or our ears deceived by sound; however prejudice may warp our wills, or interest darken our understanding, the simple voice of nature and reason will say, 'tis right.”

So what is the purpose of proper government? To protect its citizens' “freedom” by providing “security.” Samuel Adams, the celebrated “Father of the American Revolution,” wrote this,

Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists, 1772

“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. . .

In the state of nature men may, as the patriarchs did, employ hired servants for the defence of their lives, liberties, and property; and they should pay them reasonable wages. Government was instituted for the purposes of common defence, and those who hold the reins of government have an equitable, natural right to an honorable support from the same principle that ” the laborer is worthy of his hire.” But then the same community which they serve ought to be the assessors of their pay. Governors have no right to seek and take what they please; by this, instead of being content with the station assigned them, that of honorable servants of the society, they would soon become absolute masters, despots, and tyrants. Hence, as a private man has a right to say what wages he will give in his private affairs, so has a community to determine what they will give and grant of their substance for the administration of public affairs. And, in both cases, more are ready to offer their service at the proposed and stipulated price than are able and willing to perform their duty.

In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights; when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property.

Now we arrive at Thomas Jefferson, the greatest political philosopher among our founding fathers. He articulated the philosophy of Classical Liberalism as follows:

Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence, 1776

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that

  1. all men are created equal, that

  2. they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That

  3. to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That

  4. whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Classical Liberalism is a radical ideology that can topple even the most powerful nation. BUT, it can also rebuild a nation. That is the main difference between Classical Liberalism and Anarchism.

So now let me consolidate and summarize the basic principles of Classical Liberalism.

Law:

Law predates the institution of civil government. There are no such things as law-makers, only law protectors. This natural law comes from God Himself and is perfect, and human laws are made only to the degradation of this law.

Rights:

The natural rights of human beings to life, liberty, and the fruit of their labor (property) are given them by God. These rights are not granted by governments and can not lawfully be taken away by the same.

Force:

There are two kinds of force:

  1. Aggressive (or coersive) force, which violates another person's rights and is therefore an unlawful use of force.

  2. Defensive (or reactionary) force, which is in response to aggressive force. This is a lawful use of force.
Power:

All power emanates from the individual, thus, power flows upward. Governments therefore receive their power from the individuals that make up their populace, and should be held in check by the same. If a government breaks the social contract, it is the right of the people to remove it and institute proper government in its place.

Goals:

The end of classical liberalism is true liberty. Thus, a classical liberal's job is never done. The classical liberal is always looking forward to that goal. This is in contrast to those that can be called “conservative” which defend the status quo and fight for what was, rather than looking forward to what should be. The true goals of classical liberalism have not yet been accomplished at any point in our country's history. Thomas Jefferson knew and understood this and fought for these goals until he died.

The Social Contract:

As Samuel Adams described in “The Rights of the Colonists,” an individual's relationship to proper government is a contractual business relationship. The people of a land pool their individual power and resources to create an organization, which is a government. This organization has contractual obligations to the people that created it. In this tradition, our founders wrote our Constitution, which begins with the words, “We the people of the United States…” It is the literal “contract with America” and lays out the contractual obligations of our nation's federal government. We give the government certain resources, and then they must fulfill certain obligations to us, the people. Those obligations can be found summarized within the preamble to the Constitution, and are “to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.”
 
This article credits John Locke as the founder of classical liberalism.

http://www.belmont.edu/lockesmith/liberalism_essay/the_rise1.html

John Locke serves as the founder of classical liberalism by tying these principles together in a definitive manner, providing a thorough foundation upon which later minds could build. He, in short, offered the theses around which the classical liberal dialogue revolves.

also...

The classical liberal branch of the French Enlightenment began with the 1717 publication of The Persian Letters, the first great contemporary criticism of the ancient regime and the first modern study of comparative governments, by Charles-Louis de Secondat, Baron de Montesquieu (1689-1755). In this work his concern both for toleration and for a productive citizenry is evident. He criticizes the powerful Church for persecuting the Huguenots, firstly because persecution is inherently offensive to personal rights of conscience and secondly because the Church is robbing the economy of the industry of hard workers. He brands such intolerance a "total eclipse of reason" (Bramsted 114
 
Hey baboon, the post you are quoting says

"
UsualName said:
To echo Tony Stark’s point, where is the Tea Party now that Trump blew up the deficit?"


He didn't ask in THAT post about how it all started which is meaningless considering it was never a movement until Obama got elected, it was just a concept from Ron Paul who unlike you soulless dumb Cons is a consistent intellectual even though I don't agree with him on much.

Try again baboon.
You don't agree with a consistent intellectual..what a shock..

Leftists don't know much of anything...except how to rig their own primary, blame the Russians, and then destroy society through handouts, unlimited immigration, and endless war...

Who cares where the Tea Party is NOW?
The Tea Party, after it was hijacked, was NEVER the Tea Party.
They were never involved before Trump...
It was just the Neocons masquerading as Libertarian Conservatives.

Unless, of course, you believe that Rick Santelli started the Tea Party movement...

True Libertarian Conservatives are a major threat to the Libs on both sides of the aisle..
 
You don't agree with a consistent intellectual..what a shock...

Huh? So just because he is consistent in his views, I must agree with them? Do you agree with Bernie Sanders for the same reason?


Leftists don't know much of anything...except how to rig their own primary, blame the Russians, and then destroy society through handouts, unlimited immigration, and endless war....

At least leftists aren't investigation by their own DOJ for foreign collusion and corruption.

Who cares where the Tea Party is NOW?
The Tea Party, after it was hijacked, was NEVER the Tea Party.
They were never involved before Trump...
It was just the Neocons masquerading as Libertarian Conservatives.

Unless, of course, you believe that Rick Santelli started the Tea Party movement...

True Libertarian Conservatives are a major threat to the Libs on both sides of the aisle..

If you didn't care then there was no need to respond with a non-sequitur, it's that simple. Considering Trump is blowing up the budget, the very fact that these tea party nimrods aren't protesting says what exactly they found objectionable about Obama.
 
At least leftists aren't investigation by their own DOJ for foreign collusion and corruption.

Oh good grief man you are a dolt of the highest order. Go ahead and forget about every Democratic administration ever. The DOJ AG is a political appointee.
 
Oh good grief man you are a dolt of the highest order. Go ahead and forget about every Democratic administration ever. The DOJ AG is a political appointee.

But that is the whole point, a political entity ignoring politics and are forced to investigate their own.

And I don't need Dotard's supporters to give me a certificate on intelligence, you know what you are.
 
Its back on again.
Trumpy wants that Nobel Prize.
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