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[UsualName]

yes, I could if I wanted to spend time on it. I compose quickly.
If I were getting paid to write, I would draft my piece in word or on google docs and then come back and look at it an hour later. Not going to do that here.

the core point is that calling conservatives parasites is a Marxist trick.
If you idea of a parasite are people who live off government you should look to democrats because you have most of them.

Real conservatives are mostly income tax payers who helped make the country great and hate so see it turn into a soon to fail leftist state like argentina, cuba, eastern europe or pre thatcher and reagan europe. As I have said before I traveled in Yogoslavia just before the wall came down and I met people from the Easter block. Only fools and con men would wish to see that happen in America.

My idea of a parasite is the true meaning. Let me reiterate my point because it seems you confused your ideas with mine.

Conservatives in America don’t a have a true party. There is no major political party, in our history, founded on conservatism. There are conservatives and always have been in America but through our history they have moved from party to party until that party is decimated.

Conservatism is ultimately destructive that’s why they move from party to party just like a parasite does in nature.

 

[bone]

Conservatism is ultimately destructive that’s why they move from party to party just like a parasite does in nature.

Not sure I follow; Maoism and Stalin and Pol Pot were all very much left wing ideology that was ultimately very destructive as well. Even in the 21st Century there is much pain and suffering in Venezuela at present resulting from leftist ideologies taken to utopian extremes

 

[UsualName]

Practically speaking yes - they are totally different.

Ron Paul was the founder of the movement and it was hijacked by Neocons.
Part of the swamp drain, I was hoping, would involve a ton of Neocon drifting and replacement with true Conservative Libertarian principals as per Ron Paul.
Didn’t happen.

Let’s not talk about who got ‘suckered’.
The Democratic Party is in complete and total shambles.

Rick Santelli on CNBC started the movement. Ron Paul supposrters May have identified and attached themselves to the tea party moniker but the movement was much bigger than them.

Conservative and libertarian are not the same thing. They overlap on some fiscal issues but social issues are worlds apart.

As to neocons co-opting the movement, they did that with race based issues. It’s the same old song, republicans will screw you over financially but make you feel like you’re getting revenge on the inner city minorities.

As to the Democratic Party being in shambles, “see them rise, watch them fall.” The Republican Party was deviated from 2006 until 2010. Somehow they’re back in power.

Currently the republicans enjoy major gerrymandering advantages in the House from their gains in 2010. The 2020 census and state level elections will be critical to see which party controls the House in the next decade. Things have a way of changing.

 

[UsualName]

Not sure I follow; Maoism and Stalin and Pol Pot were all very much left wing ideology that was ultimately very destructive as well. Even in the 21st Century there is much pain and suffering in Venezuela at present resulting from leftist ideologies taken to utopian extremes

Your logic is unsound. If communism is liberalism then fascism is conservatism.

You are looking at dictators in nonfunctional democracies to make your point but it’s irrelevant. Is Yemen a good example of the failures of conservatism?

How about we look at Kansas vs California. Where would you rather live?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Not sure I follow; Maoism and Stalin and Pol Pot were all very much left wing ideology that was ultimately very destructive as well. Even in the 21st Century there is much pain and suffering in Venezuela at present resulting from leftist ideologies taken to utopian extremes

This garbage again that the US 'left' is the same as red communism. Come off it. Democratic Socialism is a foundational leg of all successful European countries, OZ, NZ and many more.

The USA is more socialist than it lets on, hell the military itself is really a socialist jobs and training program in very thin disguise.

There is a balance between left and right. That is where things work and things are ok.

Venezuela is suffering from the result of a populist who was akin to Peron in Argentina. Offer everyone everything until the coffers are gone. Trump is a populist on the right but in a richer setting. Populism screws everything and latches on to either ideology.

I live in Colombia, half of Venezuela is here and I have some perspective on this. It was too fat corporatism then it swung to eat the rich. The rich are fine and living in Panama or elsewhere.

 

[jem]

1. then you use of the word parasite to describe conservatives is doublespeak.

2. your point about conservatives not founding societies is truly ignorant.
Classical liberals founded the U.S. and the west.

Todays conservatives are most similar to classical liberals. We espouse most the principles upon which American and the Western world were founded. We support the Constitution and freedom from big govt.

Big govt progressives are the parasites who have destroyed society after society and city after city in the U.S.

If you were a classical liberal or a 60s liberal or a a Ralph Nader liberal you would have a problem with today's progressives. The new alignment is big govt cronyism vs classical liberal ideas of freedom, liberty and smaller central govt. Our side founded the West you side tries to cripple it.

in general. I acknowledge slarti's argument its not black and white all the time.

My idea of a parasite is the true meaning. Let me reiterate my point because it seems you confused your ideas with mine.

Conservatives in America don’t a have a true party. There is no major political party, in our history, founded on conservatism. There are conservatives and always have been in America but through our history they have moved from party to party until that party is decimated.

Conservatism is ultimately destructive that’s why they move from party to party just like a parasite does in nature.

 

[bone]

If communism is liberalism then fascism is conservatism.

I do think that there's an element of truth to your characterization in terms of political ideologies getting extreme to the point of death and violence. Yeah, I honestly do believe that Hitler's National Socialist Party and Fascism has roots in right wing ideology - likewise with Mao and Stalin and left wing ideology gone amok.

I do think that the classical liberal is not particularly welcome in the Democratic Party of the 21st Century - especially if you are a true Constitutional free speech advocate or you're a liberal who is beyond fed up with the PC culture. No doubt in my mind that the Democratic Party has moved considerably left of where it was in the 20th Century.

Just my own observations.

 

[UsualName]

1. then you use of the word parasite to describe conservatives is doublespeak.

2. your point about conservatives not founding societies is truly ignorant.
Classical liberals founded the U.S. and the west.

Todays conservatives are most similar to classical liberals. We espouse most the principles upon which American and the Western world were founded. We support the Constitution and freedom from big govt.

Big govt progressives are the parasites who have destroyed society after society and city after city in the U.S.

If you were a classical liberal or a 60s liberal or a a Ralph Nader liberal you would have a problem with today's progressives. The new alignment is big govt cronyism vs classical liberal ideas of freedom, liberty and smaller central govt. Our side founded the West you side tries to cripple it.

in general. I acknowledge slarti's argument its not black and white all the time.

1. Parasites attach to foreign bodies and feed of of them, often making their host sick. Exactly what conservatives have done to our political parties.

2. Classical liberalism is ideologically opposed to conservatism. If you don’t know that then you are probably not a true conservative.

Classical liberalism isn’t opposed to government big or otherwise.

Classical liberalism was formulated during the 19th century, that is after the American Revolution.

and while some people who call themselves conservatives find agreement with some economic philosophies of classical liberalism, they certainly don’t agree with the view of government.

Todays American liberals are in fact in the same form of liberalism as the founders of this country.

 

[Tony Stark]

Is there even a "tea party" any more ? I'm not so sure.

We could use them now to complain about Trump increasing the deficit from 600 billion to over a trillion in less than 2 years

 

[UsualName]

I do think that there's an element of truth to your characterization in terms of political ideologies getting extreme to the point of death and violence. Yeah, I honestly do believe that Hitler's National Socialist Party and Fascism has roots in right wing ideology - likewise with Mao and Stalin and left wing ideology gone amok.

I do think that the classical liberal is not particularly welcome in the Democratic Party of the 21st Century - especially if you are a true Constitutional free speech advocate or you're a liberal who is beyond fed up with the PC culture. No doubt in my mind that the Democratic Party has moved considerably left of where it was in the 20th Century.

Just my own observations.

You guys are confused. “Classical liberalism” post dates the American Revolution.