So this Pope's not Christian. But he's still correct, Trump is not Christian.
Edit: by the way, I'll leave it to someone else to state why the Pope's not Christian.
Trump: Pope's comment disgraceful
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Edit: by the way, I'll leave it to someone else to state why the Pope's not Christian.
So this Pope's not Christian. But he's still correct, Trump is not Christian.
Edit: by the way, I'll leave it to someone else to state why the Pope's not Christian.
You are aware that the Vatican ruled the Papal States under the sovereign direct rule of the Pope, from the 8th century until 1870. The pope hired brutal mercenary forces to keep the people subjugated, enforce high taxes and wage war on his neighbors. The best known mercenary force is the Swiss Guard which still is the military force of the Vatican today. Tell me again, what is Christian about this?
So... Trump is still not Christian.
I think the question is if he is more or less Christian than the ruler of the Vatican.
Keep in mind that there was a long period in U.S. colonial history where Papists were not considered Christian and barred from voting for being non-Christian.
Pat Buchanan gets is correct... again.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016...anti-americanism-in-his-political-statements/
Conservative commentator Pat Buchanan stated that the statement about Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump by Pope Francis “was a terrible mistake” and that the Pope’s statements on politics have “an element of anti-Americanism in there … anti-capitalism” on Friday’s “McLaughlin Group.”
Buchanan said the pope is “He’s anti-capitalist, politically. He’s not speaking as…pope on faith and morals. He engages in politics, and when he does, there’s an element of anti-Americanism in there, if you will, anti-capitalism, and to come out and intrude into an American election, was a terrible mistake on his part, I think. And I think that Donald Trump should have answered him. I would not have used the term ‘disgraceful,’ but I think he should have answered him and just said, ‘Look, there’s Vatican walls around [the] Vatican. Every inner city in Europe has walls.'”
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016...anti-americanism-in-his-political-statements/
Conservative commentator Pat Buchanan stated that the statement about Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump by Pope Francis “was a terrible mistake” and that the Pope’s statements on politics have “an element of anti-Americanism in there … anti-capitalism” on Friday’s “McLaughlin Group.”
Buchanan said the pope is “He’s anti-capitalist, politically. He’s not speaking as…pope on faith and morals. He engages in politics, and when he does, there’s an element of anti-Americanism in there, if you will, anti-capitalism, and to come out and intrude into an American election, was a terrible mistake on his part, I think. And I think that Donald Trump should have answered him. I would not have used the term ‘disgraceful,’ but I think he should have answered him and just said, ‘Look, there’s Vatican walls around [the] Vatican. Every inner city in Europe has walls.'”
and Milo too...
Trump should just say he is an undocumented Christian and then the pope will endorse him.
lol really. that is really good stuff.
http://www.breitbart.com/immigratio...is-the-one-defending-catholics-from-invaders/
Pope Francis, a man who lives in a country surrounded on all sides by a gigantic wall, has objected to Donald Trump’s plans to build his own wall to stop illegal immigrants.
Granted, the Vatican’s wall was built to stop marauding hordes of barbarians who didn’t obey Roman laws, didn’t speak Latin, and were mostly just attracted by Rome’s wealth and opportunities.
They were nothing like the illegal Mexican immigrants Trump wants to keep out. Unlike the Visigoths, Mexicans all speak a Latin dialect of some kind. And they have no intent to flout Roman laws — just Californian, Texan and Floridian statutes.
As a Catholic, albeit more of a Benedict XVI fan, Pope Francis is my spiritual leader. But that doesn’t mean he’s my political leader. When he says that Trump’s plan is un-Christian, I’m afraid to say I disagree with him. Daddy Trump is right, and Il Papa is wrong.
In case you don’t know, papal infallibility has a very specific meaning. It certainly doesn’t mean the pope is never wrong, and on prudential issues like immigration policy, taxation and so on I’d argue that this pope, who isn’t nearly as clever as his more stern but also less emotionally incontinent predecessors, screws up rather a lot.
Now, if you think I’m being outrageously presumptuous and skidding toward excommunication… well, you might be right. I can’t say I’m a particularly good Catholic, despite the amount of time I spend on my knees, but being a bad Catholic and then paying for it is kind of our thing. So let me share a few thoughts and hope for the best.
The key problem with Francis is that he’s a socialist, and, unlike his predecessor, not sharp enough to realise that socialism always ends the same way: oppression, misery and destitution.
That’s not precisely accurate: it’s better to say that Francis fails to understand as Benedict XIV and John Paul II both instinctively did, that socialism is the flat enemy of Christianity — it’s a peverted ghost of Christian charity.
What’s incontrovertible is that it’s Christianity married to capitalism that does the best job of raising the poor out of penury and giving everyone a fair crack at reaching their emotional, economic and spiritual potential.
Proclaiming that The Donald’s robust policies are “anti-Christian” is remarkable — and, yes, probably a bit disgraceful, as Trump suggested on Facebook. At the same time, it won’t be hard for Trump to get out of it. All he has to do is call himself an “undocumented Christian,” and I’m sure the pope will endorse him for President.
... more at link.
Trump should just say he is an undocumented Christian and then the pope will endorse him.
lol really. that is really good stuff.
http://www.breitbart.com/immigratio...is-the-one-defending-catholics-from-invaders/
Pope Francis, a man who lives in a country surrounded on all sides by a gigantic wall, has objected to Donald Trump’s plans to build his own wall to stop illegal immigrants.
Granted, the Vatican’s wall was built to stop marauding hordes of barbarians who didn’t obey Roman laws, didn’t speak Latin, and were mostly just attracted by Rome’s wealth and opportunities.
They were nothing like the illegal Mexican immigrants Trump wants to keep out. Unlike the Visigoths, Mexicans all speak a Latin dialect of some kind. And they have no intent to flout Roman laws — just Californian, Texan and Floridian statutes.
As a Catholic, albeit more of a Benedict XVI fan, Pope Francis is my spiritual leader. But that doesn’t mean he’s my political leader. When he says that Trump’s plan is un-Christian, I’m afraid to say I disagree with him. Daddy Trump is right, and Il Papa is wrong.
In case you don’t know, papal infallibility has a very specific meaning. It certainly doesn’t mean the pope is never wrong, and on prudential issues like immigration policy, taxation and so on I’d argue that this pope, who isn’t nearly as clever as his more stern but also less emotionally incontinent predecessors, screws up rather a lot.
Now, if you think I’m being outrageously presumptuous and skidding toward excommunication… well, you might be right. I can’t say I’m a particularly good Catholic, despite the amount of time I spend on my knees, but being a bad Catholic and then paying for it is kind of our thing. So let me share a few thoughts and hope for the best.
The key problem with Francis is that he’s a socialist, and, unlike his predecessor, not sharp enough to realise that socialism always ends the same way: oppression, misery and destitution.
That’s not precisely accurate: it’s better to say that Francis fails to understand as Benedict XIV and John Paul II both instinctively did, that socialism is the flat enemy of Christianity — it’s a peverted ghost of Christian charity.
What’s incontrovertible is that it’s Christianity married to capitalism that does the best job of raising the poor out of penury and giving everyone a fair crack at reaching their emotional, economic and spiritual potential.
Proclaiming that The Donald’s robust policies are “anti-Christian” is remarkable — and, yes, probably a bit disgraceful, as Trump suggested on Facebook. At the same time, it won’t be hard for Trump to get out of it. All he has to do is call himself an “undocumented Christian,” and I’m sure the pope will endorse him for President.
... more at link.
so I believe Buchanan is Catholic and Milo says he is a Catholic who has trouble following the rules or something like that and we agree the Pope made a ridiculous statement. Statements like those make the Pope lose credibility and authority. Similar to the way Actors sooner or later destroy they own box office with foolish political statements. I think of Damon and Affleck did it to themselves in the past... Now we are seeing Clooney and Lawrence doing it.
When will these public figures learn... they are too insulated with yes men to really understand what is going on.
In short they should not to pontificate outside their baliwick unless they don't mind losing their authority within their baliwick.
When will these public figures learn... they are too insulated with yes men to really understand what is going on.
In short they should not to pontificate outside their baliwick unless they don't mind losing their authority within their baliwick.
I wonder if jem would call that pre-theocratic...
Vatican City-State
No, Internet, the Vatican is not a walled city
By Michael O'Loughlin
National reporter February 19, 2016
After this week’s kerfuffle between GOP frontrunner Donald Trump and Pope Francis about whether building border walls is a Christ-like act, Trump supporters and others gleefully proclaimed the pope a hypocrite because the Vatican itself is completely surrounded by a big wall.
Except that it’s not.
Here’s one popular photo making the rounds:
This map, also circulating, shows St. Peter’s Square, on the right, closed off from the street by a wall. Perhaps visitors are given croziers to help them vault over.
In fact, Vatican City is wide open to anyone who wants to stroll down the Via della Conciliazione, located in Italy, and into St. Peter’s Square. The only thing that may slow you down are metal detectors.
In the square, you’ll be surrounded by two hemicycles of a four-row Bernini colonnade, open to the adjacent streets, designed to symbolically welcome you into the arms of Holy Mother Church.
Here’s what it really looks like from the street, with St. Peter’s Basilica straight ahead:
And here’s the opposite view, from the basilica in Vatican City across the square out to the street, which is in Italy:
Not quite the forbidding fortress some are portraying.
By Thursday night, Trump had softened his tone, saying during a CNN town hall that he likes the pope and what he represents. “I don’t think this is a fight,” Trump said. “I think he said something much softer than was originally reported by the media.”
But he repeated the trope about the Vatican’s walls: “… he’s got an awfully big wall at the Vatican, I will tell you.”
He’s partly right: Large walls do surround most of the Vatican. They’re a medieval anachronism: Pope Leo IV built some of them in the 9th century to keep Church property safe from invading troops, while others are a bit newer, built in the 16th century as a sort of political statement about the power of the papacy.
“The walls are a fortification, there is no question, but they were a fortification built at a time when armed invasions by barbarians and other forces were happening,” Diane Apostolos-Cappadona, a Catholic studies professor at Georgetown, told The New York Times. “And that is not the same thing we are talking about with a wall between the US and Mexico.”
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No, Internet, the Vatican is not a walled city
By Michael O'Loughlin
National reporter February 19, 2016
After this week’s kerfuffle between GOP frontrunner Donald Trump and Pope Francis about whether building border walls is a Christ-like act, Trump supporters and others gleefully proclaimed the pope a hypocrite because the Vatican itself is completely surrounded by a big wall.
Except that it’s not.
Here’s one popular photo making the rounds:
This map, also circulating, shows St. Peter’s Square, on the right, closed off from the street by a wall. Perhaps visitors are given croziers to help them vault over.
In fact, Vatican City is wide open to anyone who wants to stroll down the Via della Conciliazione, located in Italy, and into St. Peter’s Square. The only thing that may slow you down are metal detectors.
In the square, you’ll be surrounded by two hemicycles of a four-row Bernini colonnade, open to the adjacent streets, designed to symbolically welcome you into the arms of Holy Mother Church.
Here’s what it really looks like from the street, with St. Peter’s Basilica straight ahead:
And here’s the opposite view, from the basilica in Vatican City across the square out to the street, which is in Italy:
Not quite the forbidding fortress some are portraying.
By Thursday night, Trump had softened his tone, saying during a CNN town hall that he likes the pope and what he represents. “I don’t think this is a fight,” Trump said. “I think he said something much softer than was originally reported by the media.”
But he repeated the trope about the Vatican’s walls: “… he’s got an awfully big wall at the Vatican, I will tell you.”
He’s partly right: Large walls do surround most of the Vatican. They’re a medieval anachronism: Pope Leo IV built some of them in the 9th century to keep Church property safe from invading troops, while others are a bit newer, built in the 16th century as a sort of political statement about the power of the papacy.
“The walls are a fortification, there is no question, but they were a fortification built at a time when armed invasions by barbarians and other forces were happening,” Diane Apostolos-Cappadona, a Catholic studies professor at Georgetown, told The New York Times. “And that is not the same thing we are talking about with a wall between the US and Mexico.”
More >>