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what part of the word illegal don't they understand?
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/04/7933...omeland-security-to-share-records-with-census
To Produce Citizenship Data, Homeland Security To Share Records With Census
The Department of Homeland Security has agreed to share certain government records from its databases to help the Census Bureau produce data about the U.S. citizenship status of every person living in the country.
DHS quietly announced the data-sharing agreement in a regulatory document posted on its website on Dec. 27. It marks the latest development in the Trump administration's ongoing effort to carry out the executive order President Trump issued in July after courts blocked the administration from adding a citizenship question to the 2020 census.
Two weeks after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled last year to keep the citizenship question off, President Trump said in the executive order that releasing citizenship data based on existing records would allow states to redraw voting districts using the number of eligible voters rather than all residents in an area — a method of redistricting that a prominent GOP strategist concluded would politically benefit Republicans and non-Hispanic white people.
According to the DHS document, which was first reported by Federal Computer Week, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services is sharing personal information about naturalized U.S. citizens and green card holders from records going back to as early as 1973.
More recent records dating to 2013 from Customs and Border Protection, as well as Immigration and Customs Enforcement, will provide the Census Bureau with data such as noncitizens' full names, birth dates, addresses, Social Security numbers and alien registration numbers. CBP is also sharing the travel histories of visitors to the U.S., including those who have overstayed their visas.
Federal law restricts the release of immigration records about survivors of human trafficking and of certain other crimes who have applied for special visas, as well as survivors of domestic abuse who have applied for immigration benefits under the Violence Against Women Act. Still, USCIS has asked for permission to release to the Census Bureau data about refugees and asylum-seekers, whose records generally cannot be shared without their consent or a waiver signed by the Homeland Security secretary.
Trump Wants Citizenship Data Released But States Haven't Asked Census For That
The bureau plans to use the data it does receive to try to match the DHS records with those from other agencies about the same person. Each individual's records would then be used in a statistical model designed to produce anonymized estimates of U.S. citizens and noncitizens living in the country.
It is unclear, however, whether this process will be able to accurately determine the citizenship status of individuals. "No one source of citizenship information is complete and up-to-date," the DHS document — known as a privacy impact assessment — warns, while noting that misidentified individuals would receive "no adverse impact" because the efforts are only for "statistical purposes."
Still, Latinx community groups represented by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund and Asian Americans Advancing Justice - AAJC are currently suing the administration, arguing that its data efforts are part of a conspiracy to stop Latinx communities, noncitizens and other immigrants from receiving fair political representation.
Meanwhile, the administration has spent months trying to amass citizenship records from other federal agencies, including the State Department and the Social Security Administration, plus states. In November, Nebraska became the first state to agree to share its driver's license records with the Census Bureau.
The data DHS provides "will not be used to make programmatic or administrative enforcement decisions," according to the document the department released last week.
Instead, the document says DHS is providing the records as required by Trump's executive order to help determine numbers of three specific groups: "citizens, lawfully present non-citizens, and unauthorized immigrants in the United States during the decennial census."
While Trump's order does reference a need for a "more reliable" count of unauthorized immigrants to better inform public policy about immigration and eligibility for public benefits, the Census Bureau has not publicly acknowledged any plans to create such an estimate.
During public meetings in September, the Census Bureau's chief scientist, John Abowd, confirmed that the executive order — along with a filing to the White House's Office of Management and Budget, which reviews all federal government efforts to collect information — "commit" the bureau to releasing citizenship data by the end of March 2021, in time for the next round of redistricting.
The bureau's public information office has not responded to NPR's questions about whether it's planning to produce a count of unauthorized immigrants in response to the executive order.
The bureau is currently fighting off a lawsuit by the state of Alabama and Rep. Mo Brooks, a Republican from that state, which is arguing in court to get unauthorized immigrants excluded from census numbers used to determine the distribution of congressional seats among the states.
Both the bureau and the Department of Homeland Security's office of public affairs have also not responded to NPR's questions about when the new data-sharing agreement was signed and if any data have been transferred yet.
Plans for DHS to share data with the bureau through this agreement have been in negotiations since early 2018, when the bureau officials began scrambling to respond to the Trump administration's last-minute request to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census.
Census Bureau officials have long advocated for the administration to rely on existing government records as a way to produce citizenship information that the bureau's researchers say is more accurate and less expensive than collecting self-reported responses to a census question. In 2018, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, who oversees the Census Bureau, approved both adding the question to census forms and directed the bureau to request records from other agencies and state governments.
Still, the DHS document lays out a number of risks involved with sharing data with the bureau, including a concern that doing so is "not compatible with the original purpose" of DHS agencies collecting the information. It also flags the risk that the people whose information DHS is sharing with the Census Bureau may not want that to occur.
The document says, however, these risks "cannot be mitigated" and that Trump's executive order requires DHS to comply with the bureau's data requests.
Some privacy advocates have raised their own concerns about the potential misuse of data, especially at a time of increased immigration enforcement. Using the information to try to identify noncitizens "implicates fundamental due process rights and will impact both citizens and non-citizens," wrote Marc Rotenberg, president of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, in a July letter to leaders of the House Oversight and Reform Committee.
On top of those concerns, it's not clear exactly how accurate the data produced using the existing records will be. The DHS document acknowledges it is "notoriously difficult" to use data to determine a person's current immigration status because "individuals can have multiple immigration statuses through their lifetime."
"Because DHS is providing information at a point in time," the document says, "it is reasonable to believe that eventually data accuracy issues may arise."
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/04/7933...omeland-security-to-share-records-with-census
To Produce Citizenship Data, Homeland Security To Share Records With Census
The Department of Homeland Security has agreed to share certain government records from its databases to help the Census Bureau produce data about the U.S. citizenship status of every person living in the country.
DHS quietly announced the data-sharing agreement in a regulatory document posted on its website on Dec. 27. It marks the latest development in the Trump administration's ongoing effort to carry out the executive order President Trump issued in July after courts blocked the administration from adding a citizenship question to the 2020 census.
Two weeks after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled last year to keep the citizenship question off, President Trump said in the executive order that releasing citizenship data based on existing records would allow states to redraw voting districts using the number of eligible voters rather than all residents in an area — a method of redistricting that a prominent GOP strategist concluded would politically benefit Republicans and non-Hispanic white people.
According to the DHS document, which was first reported by Federal Computer Week, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services is sharing personal information about naturalized U.S. citizens and green card holders from records going back to as early as 1973.
More recent records dating to 2013 from Customs and Border Protection, as well as Immigration and Customs Enforcement, will provide the Census Bureau with data such as noncitizens' full names, birth dates, addresses, Social Security numbers and alien registration numbers. CBP is also sharing the travel histories of visitors to the U.S., including those who have overstayed their visas.
Federal law restricts the release of immigration records about survivors of human trafficking and of certain other crimes who have applied for special visas, as well as survivors of domestic abuse who have applied for immigration benefits under the Violence Against Women Act. Still, USCIS has asked for permission to release to the Census Bureau data about refugees and asylum-seekers, whose records generally cannot be shared without their consent or a waiver signed by the Homeland Security secretary.
Trump Wants Citizenship Data Released But States Haven't Asked Census For That
The bureau plans to use the data it does receive to try to match the DHS records with those from other agencies about the same person. Each individual's records would then be used in a statistical model designed to produce anonymized estimates of U.S. citizens and noncitizens living in the country.
It is unclear, however, whether this process will be able to accurately determine the citizenship status of individuals. "No one source of citizenship information is complete and up-to-date," the DHS document — known as a privacy impact assessment — warns, while noting that misidentified individuals would receive "no adverse impact" because the efforts are only for "statistical purposes."
Still, Latinx community groups represented by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund and Asian Americans Advancing Justice - AAJC are currently suing the administration, arguing that its data efforts are part of a conspiracy to stop Latinx communities, noncitizens and other immigrants from receiving fair political representation.
Meanwhile, the administration has spent months trying to amass citizenship records from other federal agencies, including the State Department and the Social Security Administration, plus states. In November, Nebraska became the first state to agree to share its driver's license records with the Census Bureau.
The data DHS provides "will not be used to make programmatic or administrative enforcement decisions," according to the document the department released last week.
Instead, the document says DHS is providing the records as required by Trump's executive order to help determine numbers of three specific groups: "citizens, lawfully present non-citizens, and unauthorized immigrants in the United States during the decennial census."
While Trump's order does reference a need for a "more reliable" count of unauthorized immigrants to better inform public policy about immigration and eligibility for public benefits, the Census Bureau has not publicly acknowledged any plans to create such an estimate.
During public meetings in September, the Census Bureau's chief scientist, John Abowd, confirmed that the executive order — along with a filing to the White House's Office of Management and Budget, which reviews all federal government efforts to collect information — "commit" the bureau to releasing citizenship data by the end of March 2021, in time for the next round of redistricting.
The bureau's public information office has not responded to NPR's questions about whether it's planning to produce a count of unauthorized immigrants in response to the executive order.
The bureau is currently fighting off a lawsuit by the state of Alabama and Rep. Mo Brooks, a Republican from that state, which is arguing in court to get unauthorized immigrants excluded from census numbers used to determine the distribution of congressional seats among the states.
Both the bureau and the Department of Homeland Security's office of public affairs have also not responded to NPR's questions about when the new data-sharing agreement was signed and if any data have been transferred yet.
Plans for DHS to share data with the bureau through this agreement have been in negotiations since early 2018, when the bureau officials began scrambling to respond to the Trump administration's last-minute request to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census.
Census Bureau officials have long advocated for the administration to rely on existing government records as a way to produce citizenship information that the bureau's researchers say is more accurate and less expensive than collecting self-reported responses to a census question. In 2018, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, who oversees the Census Bureau, approved both adding the question to census forms and directed the bureau to request records from other agencies and state governments.
Still, the DHS document lays out a number of risks involved with sharing data with the bureau, including a concern that doing so is "not compatible with the original purpose" of DHS agencies collecting the information. It also flags the risk that the people whose information DHS is sharing with the Census Bureau may not want that to occur.
The document says, however, these risks "cannot be mitigated" and that Trump's executive order requires DHS to comply with the bureau's data requests.
Some privacy advocates have raised their own concerns about the potential misuse of data, especially at a time of increased immigration enforcement. Using the information to try to identify noncitizens "implicates fundamental due process rights and will impact both citizens and non-citizens," wrote Marc Rotenberg, president of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, in a July letter to leaders of the House Oversight and Reform Committee.
On top of those concerns, it's not clear exactly how accurate the data produced using the existing records will be. The DHS document acknowledges it is "notoriously difficult" to use data to determine a person's current immigration status because "individuals can have multiple immigration statuses through their lifetime."
"Because DHS is providing information at a point in time," the document says, "it is reasonable to believe that eventually data accuracy issues may arise."
The US is our country. Like foreign ET trolls have any say on what happens? You can grind your teeth, bite your tongue, burn your face, the fact remains that the US will have a more conservative US Supreme Court that will enforce US laws as it is written and not as extreme liberals with agendas like it to be! The more reason to re-elect President Donald Trump another 4 years so that, he can appoint more conservative judges to the US Supreme Court and lower courts as well. Eventually, time will come when judges in US courts will enforce our laws instead, of challenging them and trying to change them. Changing laws is the job of Congress and not the Judiciary. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg as sick as she is is hanging on to save her liberal space on the US Supreme Court. That is her right if that is how she wishes to spend her life. When she is gone, President Donald Trump can appoint her replacement.
and there it is...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...d-immigrants-census-white-house-a9625516.html
Trump administration preparing executive order banning undocumented immigrants from being counted in census
'It is imperative for the census to count every person in the United States, where they live, and this includes communities that for various reasons have historically had low participation in decennial censuses,' GOP and Dem senator told census chief last week
Updated, 5:40 p.m. – The White House is readying an executive order that would block undocumented immigrants from being counted in this year’s census, with Donald Trump possibly signing it Friday or soon after.
Politico’s Playbook newsletter first reported the expected order and a source with knowledge of the situation confirmed it is in the works.
Mr Trump and his team of hardline immigration advisers – led by domestic policy adviser Stephen Miller – have targeted the annual count of all people living in the United States before, losing a battle last year in July when he dropped a bid to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census.
During a White House event almost one year ago to the date (19 July), the president slammed federal judges and the Supreme Court for blocking his desire to add the question.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...d-immigrants-census-white-house-a9625516.html
Trump administration preparing executive order banning undocumented immigrants from being counted in census
'It is imperative for the census to count every person in the United States, where they live, and this includes communities that for various reasons have historically had low participation in decennial censuses,' GOP and Dem senator told census chief last week
Updated, 5:40 p.m. – The White House is readying an executive order that would block undocumented immigrants from being counted in this year’s census, with Donald Trump possibly signing it Friday or soon after.
Politico’s Playbook newsletter first reported the expected order and a source with knowledge of the situation confirmed it is in the works.
Mr Trump and his team of hardline immigration advisers – led by domestic policy adviser Stephen Miller – have targeted the annual count of all people living in the United States before, losing a battle last year in July when he dropped a bid to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census.
During a White House event almost one year ago to the date (19 July), the president slammed federal judges and the Supreme Court for blocking his desire to add the question.
What I don't understand is why this is even an issue...
If the President decides that we should not count illegal immigrants on our census.... isn't that exactly within his purview as Chief Executive?
He implements policy for the executive branch of the U.S. government.
It is his job.
The courts are not tasked with implementation of executive policy.
This is a policy.
The next President can change it back or keep it.
If the President decides that we should not count illegal immigrants on our census.... isn't that exactly within his purview as Chief Executive?
He implements policy for the executive branch of the U.S. government.
It is his job.
The courts are not tasked with implementation of executive policy.
This is a policy.
The next President can change it back or keep it.
because we'v been here before and SCOTUS already ruled against him
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...izenship-question-executive-order-scotus.html
"Accepting contrived reasons would defeat the purpose of the enterprise. If judicial review is to be more than an empty ritual, it must demand something better than the explanation offered for the action taken in this case."
1st... Judicial Review is made up out of thin air... by the Sup Court in Marbury vs Madison.
When they start using their powers to question things which are easily within the purview of the President... they are in a way destroying their own authority.
A President could say... wrong.
This is my job given to me by the Constitution as Chief Executive.
What could the court do?
Congress is in a much better position to act on this question... as they could defund the census.
or have a new one with a new President.
2. So it seems he claimed Ross' reasons was a pretext.
So now maybe the executive branch may hasa better reason.
1st... Judicial Review is made up out of thin air... by the Sup Court in Marbury vs Madison.
When they start using their powers to question things which are easily within the purview of the President... they are in a way destroying their own authority.
A President could say... wrong.
This is my job given to me by the Constitution as Chief Executive.
What could the court do?
Congress is in a much better position to act on this question... as they could defund the census.
or have a new one with a new President.
2. So it seems he claimed Ross' reasons was a pretext.
So now maybe the executive branch may hasa better reason.
Why should states that open their communities to illegal immigration and protect illegal immigrants benefit from lawlessness.
Liberal states pack their citizens with illegal immigrants in hope of gaming the census with the goal of adding congressional seats and federal money.
If you’re not supposed to be here, why should we count you?
Liberal states pack their citizens with illegal immigrants in hope of gaming the census with the goal of adding congressional seats and federal money.
If you’re not supposed to be here, why should we count you?
Illegal as in “illegal immigration”?