Trump leads Clinton by two points in Rasmussen poll

Covertibility · May 5, 2016

I think in the coming months there will be talk of red states turning blue because the Establishment will vote for Hillary.

Tsing Tao · May 5, 2016

Covertibility said:
I think in the coming months there will be talk of red states turning blue because the Establishment will vote for Hillary.

Certainly possible. The question is whether there is more "establishment" than those who hate "establishment". On both sides.

Covertibility · May 5, 2016

New CNN poll General Election Matchups

Scroll down to the bottom of page 33. Hillary picks up 24% of the Non Trump Republican vote. Trump only picks up 10% of the Sanders vote. I think there's more Establishment in what Hillary picks up than anti-Establishment that Trump receives. It's early but it was rather interesting that one of the Koch's came out in the past week favoring Hillary over Trump as the next president.

RRY16 · May 5, 2016

All the Establishment Dough will go to keep the Senate and House.

Tsing Tao · May 5, 2016

Covertibility said:
New CNN poll General Election Matchups

Scroll down to the bottom of page 33. Hillary picks up 24% of the Non Trump Republican vote. Trump only picks up 10% of the Sanders vote. I think there's more Establishment in what Hillary picks up than anti-Establishment that Trump receives. It's early but it was rather interesting that one of the Koch's came out in the past week favoring Hillary over Trump as the next president.

Just curious, but what does that say to you (since you and many other democrats rail against the Koch brothers) that one of the Koch's prefers Hillary? How do you reconcile that with your belief system?

achilles28 · May 5, 2016

Frederick Foresight said:
How is it, though, that for years Trump's political aspirations have been a running joke among pretty much everybody? Has he changed since then? Not really. So has the Republican base that serves as his core become the running joke? There is no denying his appeal to a subset of the political Right. But will that subset be enough to carry him to the White House? However crazy this election cycle may have become, I don't think it's likely.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics

Yet reality has Trump the GOP nominee. So enough of the Right is getting behind him, ya?

Frederick Foresight · May 5, 2016

achilles28 said:
Yet reality has Trump the GOP nominee. So enough of the Right is getting behind him, ya?

I think a lot of them are holding their nose and accepting the inevitable. Some of them are right here at ET. The Democrats will not likely be as accommodating to Trump or as forgiving. So I think the crossover will be net positive for the Democrats, as Convertibility's post suggests.

achilles28 · May 5, 2016

Frederick Foresight said:
I think a lot of them are holding their nose and accepting the inevitable. Some of them are right here at ET. The Democrats will not likely be as accommodating to Trump or as forgiving. So I think the crossover will be net positive for the Democrats, as Convertibility's post suggests.

That's the key to this election, isn't it. The cross over. Lets see what happens.

Frederick Foresight · May 5, 2016

Tsing Tao said:
Just curious, but what does that say to you (since you and many other democrats rail against the Koch brothers) that one of the Koch's prefers Hillary? How do you reconcile that with your belief system?

Not that you asked me, but I'll give you my opinion. My guess is that the Kochs are putting their ideology aside to prevent Trump from ascending to the helm and having access to the nuclear codes. Perhaps they see him for what he is. Business likes stability; Trump is anything but. You well know that the Kochs are no fans of the Clintons, and I doubt they would prefer Hillary under any other circumstances. Perhaps the survival instinct trumps the pull of ideology.

Tsing Tao · May 5, 2016

Frederick Foresight said:
Not that you asked me, but I'll give you my opinion. My guess is that the Kochs are putting their ideology aside to prevent Trump from ascending to the helm and having access to the nuclear codes. Perhaps they see him for what he is. Business likes stability; Trump is anything but. You well know that the Kochs are no fans of the Clintons, and I doubt they would prefer Hillary under any other circumstances. Perhaps the survival instinct trumps the pull of ideology.

A fair answer.