Trump Cites Progress in Keeping Carrier Air Conditioning Plant in Indiana

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Your first paragraph doesn't make any sense and is completely unrelated. I gladly use my Chinese made and designed phone, the days when they just copied everything is passing. You think anyone would pay $2k for an iPhone if it was made in US?
A few nutjobs excluded.
You think an economy just produces the same crap as decades change? What sort of thinking is that? I hope we get even more productive, so the T-shirt factory will have 3 workers instead of 300...there's your "jobs".



They actually do, you just have to look around. If you just buy the cheapest shirt then of course it won't last. Then again European manufacturers have higher requirements when making stuff in China.
Fashion statements work to an extent only, the poorest (low + lower middle) won't keep buying pricey "made in America" shirts when the trend dies.

Pretty funny that on a trading related forum everyone is full of patriotism and economic irrationality.
Globalism has been very good for my spy. Can't deny it. Every decision made has been good for my bottom line, yet, we Americans look around and see it hasn't been so good for our communities and neighbors. I can only ridicule them for not buying spy instead of groceries (like I did) for so long, and then we have to admit like Trump obviously did that, I have a lot of money but I live in a shitty country.
 
It's not about capitalism or globalism. People became complacent doing the same thing expecting gradually better quality of life, it doesn't work that way.
The perfect illustration is the farmers in Georgia who hired American citizens when the Mexicans were removed, guess what, they didn't even to show up to work because it's hard labor. They're expecting an easy life with just a few hours of work. Nothing will help these people, only evolution will take care in the end. Government is keeping them alive and they're producing more useless kids who will do just the same.
 
So HVAC isn't the most high tech of industries. And that being said, there has been substantial innovation in the industry over the last 30 years. Plus, its a staple of every building built, both residential and commercial in the U.S. and around the world. There's something to be said about keeping a manufacturing base on our shores. Its also a matter of national security. Not to mention 1200 families in Indiana depend on it for their livelihood.

Carrier says "they can't be competitive" but here's the difference this time around. We have a great business mind running the country for the first time that I suspect is going to delve into why they "can't be competitive". And work to fix that. And that will be a first.

Trump has the potential to be one of the greatest presidents for his time. I think he will be. Mainly because he doesn't give a shit what the media says. He knows what needs to be done and he does it. Damn the torpedoes.... full steam ahead.
 
The perfect illustration is the farmers in Georgia who hired American citizens when the Mexicans were removed, guess what, they didn't even to show up to work because it's hard labor.

Cite your source. Your assertion as it stands is not true.

The actual truth is that the farmers in Georgia did not attract American laborers at the low wages they were offering for unskilled labor. It is not as if Americans took the farm jobs and decided to quit after one day of work. The cure for this is simple, farmers will need to increase the wages to attract domestic labor; this has happened multiple times in past American history.

Also the law in Georgia was primarily about the "high cost of providing public services to illegal residents: schooling, medical care, law enforcement and other publicly funded services." -- the side consequence was the driving away of illegal labor causing farmers to be 40% short of the laborers they needed to bring in the crops.

Here is an article with more information (whose angle is actually against the law in Georgia).

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi...rgias-immigration-law-backfires/#1cef8f34404a
 
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It's not about capitalism or globalism. People became complacent doing the same thing expecting gradually better quality of life, it doesn't work that way.
The perfect illustration is the farmers in Georgia who hired American citizens when the Mexicans were removed, guess what, they didn't even to show up to work because it's hard labor. They're expecting an easy life with just a few hours of work. Nothing will help these people, only evolution will take care in the end. Government is keeping them alive and they're producing more useless kids who will do just the same.
The Mexicans are expendable. It's the white and in Georgia also the black farmers we are trying to save. One farmer can plant and harvest 3,000 acres of row crops in a suit and tie with a computer. Fruits and vegetables are a problem and genetics are making even them adaptable to automation. But don't be surprised to see a shelf in the grocery store Real Tomatoes Grown in America, Harvested by Real Mexicans just the way it was when America was Great!
 
The Mexicans are expendable. It's the white and in Georgia also the black farmers we are trying to save. One farmer can plant and harvest 3,000 acres of row crops in a suit and tie with a computer. Fruits and vegetables are a problem and genetics are making even them adaptable to automation. But don't be surprised to see a shelf in the grocery store Real Tomatoes Grown in America, Harvested by Real Mexicans just the way it was when America was Great!

Just as a note -- the percentage of black farmers is not very high.

"In 2012, the number of black farmers in the United States was 44,629. This was a 12 percent increase percent since 2007, when the last agriculture census was conducted. Nationally black farmers were 1.4 percent of the country’s 3.2 million farmers in 2012."

"Texas has more black farmers than any other state, but they make up only 3 percent of the state’s total farmers. Black farmers make up a larger share of total farmers in Mississippi (12%), Louisiana (7%), South Carolina (7%), Alabama (6%), and Georgia (4%)"


https://www.agcensus.usda.gov/Publi...ts/Black_Farmers/Highlights_Black_Farmers.pdf
 
Just as a note -- the percentage of black farmers is not very high.

"In 2012, the number of black farmers in the United States was 44,629. This was a 12 percent increase percent since 2007, when the last agriculture census was conducted. Nationally black farmers were 1.4 percent of the country’s 3.2 million farmers in 2012."

"Texas has more black farmers than any other state, but they make up only 3 percent of the state’s total farmers. Black farmers make up a larger share of total farmers in Mississippi (12%), Louisiana (7%), South Carolina (7%), Alabama (6%), and Georgia (4%)"


https://www.agcensus.usda.gov/Publi...ts/Black_Farmers/Highlights_Black_Farmers.pdf
Now, about that 40 acres and a mule.....
 
Your first paragraph doesn't make any sense and is completely unrelated. I gladly use my Chinese made and designed phone, the days when they just copied everything is passing. You think anyone would pay $2k for an iPhone if it was made in US?
A few nutjobs excluded.
You think an economy just produces the same crap as decades change? What sort of thinking is that? I hope we get even more productive, so the T-shirt factory will have 3 workers instead of 300...there's your "jobs".
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Most high-tech products are made in China. Sad to see you're such a traitor.
 
Air-conditioners are cutting edge now?
I gladly use my Chinese made and designed phone, the days when they just copied everything is passing. You think anyone would pay $2k for an iPhone if it was made in US?

Let's be very clear, an iPhone will not cost $2K if it was manufactured in the U.S.

Only a few academics who support globalization have made this type of claim -- usually in support of grants provided by companies to assert this as a position to keep globalization in place.

When you actually contact manufacturers in the U.S. to get a detailed breakdown of the costs associated with manufacturing an iPhone in the U.S. -- they find that the cost is about 40% more .... which is in-line with other electronic products that have come back on-shore.

This means the consumer price for an iPhone would go up to approx $840 from $600 in the U.S.
Of course if you sign a cell phone contract, the consumer gets the phone for a mere couple hundred bucks.
 
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