trend following delusion shattered

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Quote from TSGannGalt:

What is the 50/200 day crossover system???

ROFL!!! :)

Don't bother answering me... :D



LOL gann, you need to see the stellar results posted from backtesting this "system" . just curious on your opinion, but i think you just gave it. LOL

next time you are in NYC give me a call
:p
 
Quote from hanseng1:

I'm gonna give this another shot......

I know that using the breakout of the 40 minute opening range + a threshold value in soybeans will result in a profit 90% of the time and an average of about $150 at the end of the day.

Using this information, "d" > 0 90% of the time (not taking slippage or commissions into account).

This doesn't "predict" movement; it merely states that I have positive movement with this particular setup 90% of the time. This is what I mean when I say the entry has > 50% chance of profitablility.

I then take this information and test it in a system setting (trade management). This is the evolution of a trend following approach. No prediction of profit is made. However, based on research, a profit = the historical average trade is expected in the future (within statistical bands).

Trend followers do not make a prediction as to the size of a future move; they maximize the probability that a sizeable move will occur. You need to realize this.

You are so consumed with this |p1-p0| > d relationship that you are losing sight of the bigger picture. This is not how trend following operates, and I don't even realize why we are going around in circles with this idiotic relationship; it is not really the point of the original post in this thread. Nothing in the original post mentioned anything about predicting the future. Unless you are Miss Cleo, you cannot do this.

P.S. I can substantiate my claims through my 80+ pages of research. If you include all of my work on this one entry, it fills a 200 page binder. It is also in .pdf format on my computer. But, alas, you cannot read .pdf's (not that I'd give you about 200+ hours' worth of work for free anyway).
If I read your post correctly, you claim a system with a sufficient d to show a profit based on the breakout from an opening range.

That's fine as far as it goes. Now, are you ready to perform a demonstration?

By the way, it seems you still don't quite get the challenge question. It's not about drawing a chart of the market before it happens. A requirement of any trading system is that it offer the trader a statistically profitable indication that price will soon move in a certain direction and to at least a certain minimum extent.
 
Quote from NickelScalper:

That's fine as far as it goes. Now, are you ready to perform a demonstration?

A requirement of any trading system is that it offer the trader a statistically profitable indication that price will soon move in a certain direction and to at least a certain minimum extent.

???

What do you mean by statistically profitable indication?

To what certain minimum extent?

Can you elaborate on that????

ROFL. :D
 
Quote from TSGannGalt:

???

What do you mean by statistically profitable indication?

To what certain minimum extent?

Can you elaborate on that????

ROFL. :D
I just got through explaining what I mean. Go back and read the thread.
 
Quote from NickelScalper:

I just got through explaining what I mean. Go back and read the thread.

Which past post answers my question? I don't see it.

Which one?

ROFL :D
 
Quote from hank rollins:

LOL gann, you need to see the stellar results posted from backtesting this "system" . just curious on your opinion, but i think you just gave it. LOL

next time you are in NYC give me a call
:p

What was wrong with the results? It was a simple system to show that trendfollowing works, which I beilieve it did. And I bet it beat your performance over that same time period. It sucks to lose to something that simple doesn't it Hank.

5yr
 
Quote from hank rollins:

yo bro, nice to see you here. however your theory is wrong-- i am having my best year ever. see my journal on the other site that i am not permitted to mention. so far this trade-- over 300 points in DJIA, 6 plus points in EBAY, and my oil trade turned profitable today. am i with the trend ?? you bet ! based on my defintion of trend, ofcourse.

by the way, top bid on PTJ tape is still $500.00, still not on ebay.

hanksurfer

Hank

Glad to hear in wrong on this one, congrats my friend keep it up ...:)
 
Quote from 5yrtrader:

What was wrong with the results? It was a simple system to show that trendfollowing works, which I beilieve it did. And I bet it beat your performance over that same time period. It sucks to lose to something that simple doesn't it Hank.

5yr

In what terms are you talking about, to conclude that it works?

:D
 
Quote from NickelScalper:

If I read your post correctly, you claim a system with a sufficient d to show a profit based on the breakout from an opening range.

That's fine as far as it goes. Now, are you ready to perform a demonstration?

By the way, it seems you still don't quite get the challenge question. It's not about drawing a chart of the market before it happens. A requirement of any trading system is that it offer the trader a statistically profitable indication that price will soon move in a certain direction and to at least a certain minimum extent.

First, it's not a system, it is an entry; there is a difference.

Second, it gives, on average, $150 before commissions and slippage. Notice I said on average. It makes no predictions. It does similarly well in energies and the ER2. Again, these are simple statistics from entry research; this is not a system (though I have one developed and trading using the same premise).

Third, I really don't feel too compelled to post all of my trades here in real time. What is the point? Should I give away the major points to a system on which I spent about 6-10 hours a day, 6 days per week, for about 1.5 months? Not gonna happen. I've read those type threads; why should I spend my time posting my rules with entries and exits before the trades (for about 8 different markets, no less...)? I don't feel to compelled to spend a large amount of time to hear a bunch of people telling me that I posted an entry after the fill, or any of a number of other issues. I'll keep my trade log at home, thanks.

By the way, I'm sure you're going to get a similar response from others who have put a great deal of time and effort into their systems. I noticed you kept your own journal up for about 10 days. You want to post here in real time as well?
 
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