Trading Wisdom for Aspiring Hedge Fund Managers

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Why do you have a tax lien against you and why do you live in a slum owned by someone else if you are a real trader?

and why do you never answer this question? do you have a psychological problem that blocks reality? just answer the question -I saw a thread that had a government link to a tax lien.



ps This was a great thread at the beginning. Now it reads like a bunch of homeless people took a dump on it.


Quote from jack hershey:

If you like humor, read a writer's inept description of some people who can't fight their way out of a paper bag. The book is: The Predictors. Bass is the author.

ove 2/3 of the way through the book, the team of losers goes to the market to place their experimental order for the day. Everyone else knows their routine and so they take the predictor's pants off every day.

What is neat is reading how they come back to their work room and discuss something they just learned. The subject was BBid/BAsk; they did not know before that it existed.

All these guys formerly worked at hedgefunds. Of cource, Bass is just narrating the lost cause of Quants.

this thead is entitled...blah blah...in this thread the OP is calling me out and describing my behavior by which he is slightly amused.

I commented on 6 and my comment included what appeared in 7, 8, and 9, blah.... this set of "trading Wisdom" is par and it is what the finacial industry is as well.

frontrunning the industry and its corporate structures is a ball.

My role is speculator who uses TA and who frontruns the HERD. I am a systemmic trader who's system has no noise, no anomalies and no flaws......

So I have a vocabulary and a language I use. In programming terms it is a RDBMS and the coding language is SQL or Haskell could be used. Anyone can look At my algorithm PEP and its three applications: PVT, SCT and SSR. There are one pagers available.

Scoring is easy and it works with a Universe from EPS and RS. The one pager for PVT is codable in about 20 minutes.

I am not as described here by the OP.

Look at the persons I suggested he quote earlier. That's not going to happen either.

I am used to such characterizations of me. as a trader for 54 years, I have been looked at for a long time and by some fairly significant people. I have not worked for anyone since my first job; some excepions like EOP did happen though.

Every day you are affected three ways by my contributions to your lives. Get used to it; it happened and I did my job.


Quote from marketsurfer:

Put the guy on ignore. I did and elite is much easier to read.

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I'd bet that guys bluffing... jacky Hersey highwayer.... I am gonna ignore him soon... he reminds me of the many mental patients I've met in AA
 
Yeah, I won't spend more time on the guy. Just felt cathartic to get that out.

Re, thread quality, we'll get back on track here soon enough...
 
Quote from darkhorse:

You're full of shit.

Your statement implies a 96% win rate and +900% returns. That's ridiculous.

1) No human traders have that kind of hit rate.

Stevie Cohen, who put together one of the best trading shops of all time in SAC capital, once said his best trader had a hit rate of 65%.

Marty Schwartz, arguably one of the greatest daytraders ever, once said he more or less scrapped back and forth 200 trading days a year and made his big gains on the other 50 (i.e. 1 trading day out of 5).

Ken Grant, who served as risk manager to many of the top hedge funds in the world, said that the majority of top traders he has witnessed consistently displayed a 90/10 return profile, where 90% of their profits came from 10% of their trades.

Peter Brandt, who booked 41% CAGR over 30 years, did so with a less than 40% hit rate.

Multiple top global macro traders (running hundreds of millions to billions) have professed hit rates in the neighborhood of 50%.

In otherwords, across the top strata of top traders at the top of their game -- guys who have actually made hundreds of millions to billions in the markets -- not one of them has a 95% hit rate or anywhere near it. And yet your "beginner" got it by following your simple instructions. Right.

2) High frequency trading programs don't have that kind of hit rate either (let alone run rate).

The aim of HFT programs is to be like the house in blackjack, where a small edge, as little as a few percentage points, is exploited over thousands of occurrences per day to create near-statistical certainty of profit via the law of large numbers. This can done (and is done) with hit rates just north of 50%. Casinos make millions on blackjack every night with merely a 2% edge.

Furthermore, simple application of game theory dictates that a rule-based strategy with a hit rate of 96% simply could not exist in a competitive environment for anything more than a short period of time. Such an anomaly, as soon as discovered by other trading shops, would soon be competed away.

Anyone who was able to win 96% of the time, at a 900% run rate, for any meaningful length of time, would soon be richer than Bill Gates. And you're saying a newbie did it just by following your instructions.

3) High hit rate trading methodologies tend to require EXTREMELY high turnover to generate their returns, because average profitability per trade has to be low.

The trades that make 10R, or 50R, or 500R, are not high hit rate trades. They are more like grand-slam fastballs down the middle. Think George Soros and the British Pound in 1992, or Warren Buffett buying the Washington Post at near bankruptcy lows and holding it for decades.

But the above type trades just don't come along very often. And they certainly don't fit the context of a day or swing trading methodology.

In reality, a highly profitable day or swing trading methodology is going to have little bites, over and over, spread out over a large volume of trades.

Is it possible for a human trader to make 900% a year without undue risk, and to do so without hitting a macro or value investing home run? Yes. But such a trader would likely have to be a prop trader of some kind, making dozens of trades per day, if not hundreds, to compound his small edge rapidly.

Thus, what you made up doesn't even fit the structure of market reality. 62 trades over three months is not a realistic profile for 900% returns. The only way you get those kind of returns is by one-off swinging for the macro fences - and as already established, that is not a 96% hit rate business - or utilizing an extremely high turnover strategy that makes hundreds or even thousands of trades in a month.

4) If you had the holy grail, it would be worth billions of dollars.

A strategy that can win +95% of the time is a form of holy grail. A strategy that can consistently generate 900% annualized returns without insane risks is another form of holy grail. Put the two together and you have a sort of super holy grail where you could turn $50,000 into $1 billion in the matter of a few YEARS.

You might as well come on here and tell people you sneeze bullets and fart laughing gas, or that you're the trading fairy godmother who waves her magic wand and fulfills newbie traders' wildest dreams. The claims you make are so far beyond ridiculous they aren't credible for even a second. It's like one of those hoax scientists claiming they have found cold fusion or the means to create perpetual energy, without even understanding the fucking physics well enough to at least come up with a plausible bullshit story.

1. Try out the PVT one pager

2. 62 trades in a quarter is position trading.

3. the fous is otherwise. Choosing a high beta universe is all that is required. Read O'neill.

4. It is available to anyone. An ATs is easy to construct. Some people use it; others do not. Horses have the same trouble with water.
 
Quote from darkhorse:

FALSE.

I read the Predictors and wrote an Amazon review of the book (which is still posted) circa 5 years ago.

You said they "formerly worked at hedgefunds."

No they didn't, you jackass, that's why they made the mistake they did in respect to entering their orders at the same time each day. And they didn't make the mistake forever, it was something they caught and moved on from as soon as they realized what was happening in the pits.

Prediction Company LLC was led by Doyne Farmer, a physicist and chaos theoretician associated with the Santa Fe Institute.

Again, the whole reason they made the elementary mistake with orders in the pits - later corrected - is because they were NOT traders or hedge fund guys. They were scientists, hacking and theorizing their way forward.

And they were hardly losers. Prediction Company LLC was eventually bought by an investment bank for a large sum, most likely making the founders - who were never "former hedgefund guys" - quite wealthy.

As for "the lost cause of quants:" Again what... the fuck... are you talking about. Guys like Cliff Asness, Peter Muller, Blair Hull, Jim Simons, David Shaw, Edward Thorp and others are worth HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS TO BILLIONS.

"The quants" are doing just fine. There are quants who are HUGELY successful, in track record, theoretical advancement, profits gained, everything. So why the HELL would you knock them indiscriminately?

I am no quant myself, and have no flag to fly for them. But I don't get this pissing on other people's candles to make your own burn brighter, especially when the criticisms don't even make logical sense. Why would you knock a demonstrably successful niche of the market ecosystem - one of the more succesful niches, in fact, given that Rentech, the king of quant funds, may be the single most consistently profitable hedge fund of all time.

And why would you talk about recollections of a book where you assert critically important details ("they all used to work for hedgefunds") that are 100% wrong and in being wrong destroy your entire fucking point.

What is wrong with you?




!!! Laughing out loud now. "No noise, no anomalies and no flaws..." well in that case maybe you should change your name from Jack Hershey to Jesus Christ, because apparently you walk on water.

Truly excellent traders are open to the fact they have flaws. Truly excellent traders are realistic about the fact that all methodologies have strengths AND weaknesses, and that a constant incremental process of improvement and evolution must be applied over time. Truly excellent traders reflect on mistakes they have made in the past, and recognize that, as much as they hate it, they will make mistakes in future. Truly excellent traders are proud of their skills, and yet deeply humble, because they know the market is bigger than any one man and that new challenges are constantly arising.

You, on the other hand, sound like you think you are the Jesus of trading. Preaching on a message board.





Nope. I am beginning to think you are even nuttier.

I'm beginning to think you could give the timecube guy a run for his money.

Seriously, tell me if the following doesn't sound like vintage Hershey (via timecube.com)

Children will be blessed for Killing Of Educated Adults Who Ignore 4 Simultaneous Days Same Earth Rotation. Practicing Evil ONEness - Upon Earth Of Quadrants. Evil Adult Crime VS Youth. Supports Lie Of Integration. 1 Educated Are Most Dumb. Not 1 Human Except Dead 1. Man Is Paired, 2 Half 4 Self. 1 of God Is Only 1/4 Of God. Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies. Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s. God Is Born Of A Mother – She Left Belly B. Signature. Every Priest Has Ma Sign But Lies To Honor Queers.Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.

It's your soul mate, dude! Jack Hershey and Time Cube Guy! I'm sure he is just "misunderstood" too, by those who "just don't get it"...

Look, I don't know what your deal is, man.

I don't know why you persist in coming on here and talking in gobbledygook - not just my perception, but a whole lot of people's - and I don't know why you persist in making up trading performance stories out of the blue that are beyond nonsensical, or why you rip on hedge funds and quants and other proven successful denizens of the trading world that you seem to not understand.

I think maybe you are pathological. I hypothesize there is something off in your personality or your brain, which is why you have been doing this shit for years and years. I remember you from way back when, before I took a long hiatus from ET, and it was all much the same.

I can't tell you where to post. But I cordially invite you to take your crazy somewhere else.

p.s. I think your new nickname should be JesusCube.

The book is about PhD physists who came from somewhere, the book says where,

This team is using science to try to succeed is doing something relative to markets.

Bass thought they were scientists with physics PhD's working in the financial industry.

The financial industry and, in particular, hedge funds have a lot of capital. As you carry out your announced task, you are appealing to an opportunity to help grow the financial industry and the hedge fund indutry via the manager route.

I suggested the book was very funny.

I have met some of these hedge guys and the people they pay to advise them in Greenwich and NY (cocktails and financial club meetings with speakers). Sometimes I had breakfast at the links club and I was loaned chauffered cars on occassion while in NY.

They all know me because I am retail trader and some of us worked at EOP together.

So I get to be full of shit because of the performance of one of my beginner acquaintances. I'm sure you think what happened was not possible. Our difference is this: I have the print and you do not have the print.

I agree with you. There has to be a most consistently successful hedge fund. It must be listed among the other hedge funds at the very top.

My quoted beginner was not at the top of my list of beginners, however.

Do you know why all but one of the original team cut out early? Did any of those original guys whose ideas were dumped get any of the take after the M and A?
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

Yes, JH. Just hit the ignore button. I've been here since 2002 and hershey is the only person on my ignore list.


Ignore button engaged. I no longer see his posts.
 
Trading Wisdom 11: Chess Parallels

"People make a lot of connections between chess and investing and say things like, "Oh, you must be able to see many moves ahead," as if skill at chess can directly translate to markets in a way that non-chess players cannot access. I think that's overstated. That said, there certainly are some related concepts, such as the ability to quickly recognize patterns, and the discipline of being hyperrational in evaluating the strength of your position."

- Boaz Weinstein, Alpha Masters

JS Comment:

What parallels, if any, do you see between markets and chess?

Do you have a repertoire of patterns (not necessarily chart-based) and scenario hallmarks you recognize?

Do you consider yourself ‘hyperrational’ in evaluating your positions? How might one become more so?


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Trading Wisdom 12: Three Iron Rules for Risk-Takers

"There are three iron rules for risk takers. Since your plan is to arrive at an outcome near expectation, you must be sure that expectation is positive. In other words, you must have an edge in all your bets. Expectation is only an abstraction for risk-avoiders. If you buy a single $1 lottery ticket, it makes no practical difference whether your expected payout is $0.90 or $1.10. You'll either hit a prize or you won't. But if you buy a million tickets, it makes all the difference in the world.

"Second, you need to be sure you're not making the same bets over and over. Your bets must be as independent as possible. That means you cannot rely on systems or superstitions, not even on logic and rationality. These things will lead you to make correlated bets. You must search hard for new things to bet on, unrelated to prior bets, and you must avoid any habits. In many cases you find it advantageous to make random decisions, to flip coins. For risk avoiders taking only a few big chances, correlation is a secondary concern and flipping a coin for a decision makes no sense.

"Finally, risk takers must size their bets properly. You can never lose so much that you're taken out of the game; but you have to be willing to bet very big when the right gambles come along. For a risk avoider, being taken out of the game is no tragedy, as risk taking was never a major part of the life plan anyway. And there's no need to bet larger than necessary, as you are pursuing plans that should work out if nothing bad happens, you're not counting on risk payoffs to succeed."

- Aaron Brown, Red-Blooded Risk: A Secret History of Wall Street

JS Comment:

Do you understand and apply the concept of 'expectation,' also known as EV or expected value?

The second paragraph is controversial. Do you agree that "flipping coins" is sometimes appropriate for risk-takers?

What are some intelligent ways to address the correlation problem (that don’t necessarily involve randomness)?

Do you vary your position sizing? If not, why not? If so, by how large a factor between your smallest and largest positions?


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