Trading while trying to lose weight on Atkins
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Actually there is nothing to argue. Dean Ornish has proof of a safe diet that increases health and longevity. The proof is there. The rest is just a mix of conjecture, opinion (and wishful thinking, if you may).
ps Take a closer look. What you're doing is not enough to stem heart disease, for instance.
It seems you are the one who hasnt been following this
thread.
This is exactly what is being challenged by modern diets.
For example:
"Cleave's hypothesis does give one explanation of what brought about the heart-disease epidemic in the industrialized world. Let's look at a couple of atypical Western countries. In Iceland, heart disease (and diabetes) was almost unheard of until the 1930s, although the Icelanders ate a diet tremendously high in fat. In the early 1920s, however, refined carbohydrates and sugar arrived in the Icelandic diet and, true to Cleave's rule, the degenerative diseases arrived on schedule. Likewise, in the former Yugoslavia and in Poland, the development of high heart-disease rates in the mid-20th century occurred in decades when the sugar rate was quadrupling and the animal-fat intake was falling."
Blubber eating ice men dont die of heart disease at the rate
we do, so we know it's just not the fat.
The french are also known to have a very high fat diet, they
cook with lard, and yet have lower heart disease than we do.
And from Dean Ornish's web site:
"High protein diets are based on a half-truth, which is what makes them seductive. I agree with the high protein advocates that it's wise to eat fewer simple carbohydrates, including sugar, white flour, and white rice. These are low in fiber, so you get a double-whammy: a lot of calories that don't fill you up, and they get absorbed quickly, causing your blood sugar to zoom up. Your body makes more insulin to lower your blood sugar, but too much insulin also accelerates the conversion of calories into fat. "
Notice he recognizes the same thing.
Its the CARBS and insulin spikes that are the culprit.
In fact, what he proposes is very similar to the ZONE diet,
which is another "lower" carb diet, that is not as extreme
as the atkins diet. (At least the atkins during the induction phase)
peace
axeman
thread.
This is exactly what is being challenged by modern diets.
For example:
"Cleave's hypothesis does give one explanation of what brought about the heart-disease epidemic in the industrialized world. Let's look at a couple of atypical Western countries. In Iceland, heart disease (and diabetes) was almost unheard of until the 1930s, although the Icelanders ate a diet tremendously high in fat. In the early 1920s, however, refined carbohydrates and sugar arrived in the Icelandic diet and, true to Cleave's rule, the degenerative diseases arrived on schedule. Likewise, in the former Yugoslavia and in Poland, the development of high heart-disease rates in the mid-20th century occurred in decades when the sugar rate was quadrupling and the animal-fat intake was falling."
Blubber eating ice men dont die of heart disease at the rate
we do, so we know it's just not the fat.
The french are also known to have a very high fat diet, they
cook with lard, and yet have lower heart disease than we do.
And from Dean Ornish's web site:
"High protein diets are based on a half-truth, which is what makes them seductive. I agree with the high protein advocates that it's wise to eat fewer simple carbohydrates, including sugar, white flour, and white rice. These are low in fiber, so you get a double-whammy: a lot of calories that don't fill you up, and they get absorbed quickly, causing your blood sugar to zoom up. Your body makes more insulin to lower your blood sugar, but too much insulin also accelerates the conversion of calories into fat. "
Notice he recognizes the same thing.
Its the CARBS and insulin spikes that are the culprit.
In fact, what he proposes is very similar to the ZONE diet,
which is another "lower" carb diet, that is not as extreme
as the atkins diet. (At least the atkins during the induction phase)
peace
axeman
You spent all of 15 minutes looking over Ornish. Try actually reading it (all of it) this time.
Dean Ornish proposes nothing of the sort. His conclusions and recommendations are very very specific, with proof positive to back it up (unlike ZONE diet or Atkins which is primarily based on supposition, conjecture, opinion).
READ!
LEARN!
