Trading while trying to lose weight on Atkins

Quote from randynutts:



Franklin FACTS are FACTS. Just because you and others are WEAK minded and lack discpline and willpower doesn't change the facts one bit. Looks like you're just gonna have to get pissed off at the facts.

10% fat diet is the ONLY diet PROVEN to reverse cardiovascular DAMAGE. Much evidence to support that Low fat, Low protein diets reduce biological damage. If you can't adhere to it that's YOUR problem, but the facts stand regardless of your frailties.
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Extreme diets produce extreme results that may be helpful in extreme cases, but are largely irrelevant to the way that most of us want to, or can afford to, live our lives. I can bake cookies with lots of fiber that I know are really good for me, and taste like saw dust, but I would be a moron to spend my life eating them. The total length of time that one manages to survive is a poor measure of the happiness experienced in one's life.

You're not going to get me to eat a diet with 10% fat from calories without it both tasting great, and there being rock solid evidence that it is actually much healthier than the low-carb diet I'm currently on. For the benefit of others, I'll review again the major benefits of low-carb (most of which have affected me directly):

- lower weight and easier weight maintenance
- higher sustained energy level
- lower fat/lean body mass ratio (more muscle)
- better blood chemistry
- diabetes prevention and management
- acid reflux prevention and management
- can be made to taste great

It wasn't a "lack of discipline" that brought me to this diet, but rather a weighing of risks and rewards, and an efficient allocation of resources to where they produce the greatest benefit (I'm a trader, not a nutritional evangelist!).
 
Quote from randynutts:



All sources of fat contain saturated fat, monounsaturated fat, and polyunsaturated fat in various proportions. Any increase in total fat consumption will increase saturated fats too. You can't get away from it.
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Okay, that's true. But some fat sources have levels of mono and poly unsaturated fats that far exceed the saturated fat level, so it is still very possible to limit the saturated fat to very low levels.

(Avoiding meat is obviously the first step.)
 
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Hmm, just checked out the link you provided.

I must say, I'm not terribly impressed.

That's not to say his information isn't valid, it's just that the way it is presented has my BS sensors tingling.

Eg,

"The Eating Plan is based on a super-advanced, next century dietary technology called macronutrient cycling"

Comment: Oh please!

"most dietary practices recommended by the "experts" have an adverse"

Comment: bashing "the experts"; not so bad in and of itself, but when you pair it up with hyperbole it starts to stink.

"Let's say you want to eat a heaping plate of pasta with chocolate cake for dessert, no problem - it is unlikely that even one molecule will be stored as fat, so long as you eat it at the right time in your cycle. "

Comment: What's the old line about if something sounds too good to be true?

".... . . you will have the best of both worlds eating-wise, while your bodyfat melts away, hour-by-hour!"

Comment: Good example. That just has "infomercial" written all over it!

"But there's more...."

Comment: Lol! How much more blatantly infomercial can you get! :)

That's basically the tone of the whole site. Not really inspiring, I'm afraid. The fact that it's not available from Amazon doesn't inspire me with confidence either.

Oh, one more thing. I think there's a contradiction in his thesis, too.

"The low-fat diet is one example of a diet that actually stimulates lipogenic (fat-producing) hormones! (This explains why the incidence of obesity has risen in the U.S. over the last twenty years, concurrently with the low-fat craze.)"


Comment: okay, so the advice given by "the experts" has people doing the above.

Then, later,

"Now you see one big reason why conventional dieting is doomed to failure. The virtually universal "rebound effect" (in which the dieter promptly regains lost fat after discontinuing the diet) experienced by conventional dieters......"


Comment: so, first he blames the 'low fat' diet for actually increasing levels of obesity -- ie, it "doesn't work" --, yet then, in the second paragraph I quote, he says that the dieter regains the fat he lost after stopping the diet.
But if he "regained" it, he must have lost it in the first place.
Corollary: the low fat diet actually worked in lowering fat levels, and the only reason the fat levels went back up again was because the dieter went off the diet.
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Interesting comments. I'm afraid we are in different camps but perhaps have different goals anyway. My goal is the building of as much lean muscle mass as possible and staying lean and healthy at the same time.

I do agree the site is lame, but not the info, and the book is great. Take care all.
 
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LMAO!:p
 
Quote from randynutts:

your calling me "nutty" crack has not gone unnoticed. if the facts make me nutty than so be it. :)

franklin that's a pretty low fat low calorie lunch. you are either extremely lean or you make up for it somewhere else during the day.
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All my meals are similar in overall composition, and I eat more than 3 "meals" a day (more like 6-7), with some being 200 calorie "snacks" (eating smaller meals more often is typically part of these diets).

Randy, sorry about the "nutty" crack. As you can see from the sample lunch, I doubt that we really differ that much, in that it would be easy to drive the fat lower in that lunch with more of what you prefer to eat. You can also probably see now that I'm not putting myself at risk by just replacing good carb.s with bad fat. I just like the simplicity that comes with the carb/protein and total calorie limits: it forces one to immediately discard all the really ridiculous foods (traditional ice cream, french fries, etc.), puts a premium on foods that contain both carbs and protein (like nuts and vegetables), and makes you feel fuller sooner due to its protein content.
 
I've been fiddling with the yeast bread recipe in Eades' Low-Fat Comfort Food cookbook, but would like to look at other recipes. Has anybody been baking bread out of any other lo-carb cookbook? If so, I'd appreciate a list of ingredients (instructions aren't necessary).
 
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