Trading while trying to lose weight on Atkins

Quote from franklin:



It's ludicrous because you can't get normal people to stick to such diets (not because you can't construct a healthy one that has only 10% fat). And that's why you really-low-fat guys piss me off. You're continuing to lead people down paths that are a waste of time. Food has to taste good and be filling, or the diet is worthless to all but those who enjoy torturing themselves.
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Franklin FACTS are FACTS. Just because you and others are WEAK minded and lack discpline and willpower doesn't change the facts one bit. Looks like you're just gonna have to get pissed off at the facts.

10% fat diet is the ONLY diet PROVEN to reverse cardiovascular DAMAGE. Much evidence to support that Low fat, Low protein diets reduce biological damage. If you can't adhere to it that's YOUR problem, but the facts stand regardless of your frailties.
 
Quote from EliteThink:

Hormones are the key to all metabolic activity. Growth hormone is largely responsible for controlling the rate at which we age and store and use energy (burn fat). In short the book explains how to nearly cease aging, diet correctly with both carbs, fat and protein and evaluate the most beneficial way to work out from a hormonal stand point.

Many good ideas have been presented in this thread, I feel nhe pulls from the best of all of them.
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Hmm, just checked out the link you provided.

I must say, I'm not terribly impressed.

That's not to say his information isn't valid, it's just that the way it is presented has my BS sensors tingling.

Eg,

"The Eating Plan is based on a super-advanced, next century dietary technology called macronutrient cycling"

Comment: Oh please!

"most dietary practices recommended by the "experts" have an adverse"

Comment: bashing "the experts"; not so bad in and of itself, but when you pair it up with hyperbole it starts to stink.

"Let's say you want to eat a heaping plate of pasta with chocolate cake for dessert, no problem - it is unlikely that even one molecule will be stored as fat, so long as you eat it at the right time in your cycle. "

Comment: What's the old line about if something sounds too good to be true?

".... . . you will have the best of both worlds eating-wise, while your bodyfat melts away, hour-by-hour!"

Comment: Good example. That just has "infomercial" written all over it!

"But there's more...."

Comment: Lol! How much more blatantly infomercial can you get! :)

That's basically the tone of the whole site. Not really inspiring, I'm afraid. The fact that it's not available from Amazon doesn't inspire me with confidence either.

Oh, one more thing. I think there's a contradiction in his thesis, too.

"The low-fat diet is one example of a diet that actually stimulates lipogenic (fat-producing) hormones! (This explains why the incidence of obesity has risen in the U.S. over the last twenty years, concurrently with the low-fat craze.)"


Comment: okay, so the advice given by "the experts" has people doing the above.

Then, later,

"Now you see one big reason why conventional dieting is doomed to failure. The virtually universal "rebound effect" (in which the dieter promptly regains lost fat after discontinuing the diet) experienced by conventional dieters......"


Comment: so, first he blames the 'low fat' diet for actually increasing levels of obesity -- ie, it "doesn't work" --, yet then, in the second paragraph I quote, he says that the dieter regains the fat he lost after stopping the diet.
But if he "regained" it, he must have lost it in the first place.
Corollary: the low fat diet actually worked in lowering fat levels, and the only reason the fat levels went back up again was because the dieter went off the diet.
 
Quote from randynutts:



Franklin FACTS are FACTS. Just because you and others are WEAK minded and lack discpline and willpower doesn't change the facts one bit. Looks like you're just gonna have to get pissed off at the facts.

10% fat diet is the ONLY diet PROVEN to reverse cardiovascular DAMAGE. Much evidence to support that Low fat, Low protein diets reduce biological damage. If you can't adhere to it that's YOUR problem, but the facts stand regardless of your frailties.
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Yes, that's right, Randy.

If the facts do support your position, then of course it's true that just because somebody finds following such a diet difficult is mark against the efficacy of the diet itself. There can't really be any serious doubt about that at all.

I was under the impression, however, that the facts aren't conclusive with respect to low-fat -- 10% fat -- diets being the healthiest diet; given the (alleged) health benefits associated with higher levels of monounsaturated and essential fats.
 
Quote from alfonso:





Randy, the health risks of high levels of saturated fat intake are well documented. Is this being disputed by the Atkins advocates?

Hmm, that would certainly be surprising.

I was under the impression that diets favoring higher fat intakes, in the region of 25-35% of total calories, proposed monounsaturated fats?

If this is so, then your protests are certainly not addressing the issue at hand, are they? Could someone clarify this?
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All sources of fat contain saturated fat, monounsaturated fat, and polyunsaturated fat in various proportions. Any increase in total fat consumption will increase saturated fats too. You can't get away from it.
 
Quote from alfonso:



Let's say you've determined that you should be eating 100grams of carbs, for example.

That would be "net carbs", right? (That's what I understand according to Max).

So, in reality, you could really be eating 150grams of carbs, but balancing that with 50g of fiber, right?

Am I understanding this correctly?
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Right.

Here's an example (that also provides nutty with an example of what I might eat for lunch):

Shelton's Chicken Chili with Black Beans
(made with free range chicken - check out their web site)

1 cup - 1 serving
200 calories
3g fat
23g total carbohydrate (the beans)
7g fiber (the beans)
20g protein (beans and chicken)

...so that's net 16 carbs, and a carb/protein ratio of 16:20 (less than 1:1). Let's add some cheddar cheese:

1/2 oz
60 cal
5g fat
0g carb
3g protein

Now we're at 260 calories and carb/protein ratio of 16:23. Another interesting thing to know is that there are about 10 calories for each gram of fat, so only about 80 calories of the 260 is due to fat (less than 1/3), even though you're going to be tasting a lot of meat and cheese (which is going to be digested slowly, make you feel full sooner, and keep your energy levels higher for a longer time).

If you add a few nuts (such as a combination of walnuts, almonds, and cashews), they together have a 1:1 carb/protein ratio, so our total ratio will still be less than 1:1, and our total calories will be approximately 300.

In general, if you start with a small amount of lean meat, you get such a large protein credit that you can afford to add back vegetables and/or a whole grain piece of bread. Nuts are neutral, cheeses are net protein, and low-fat milk is neutral ("neutral" meaning 1.4 or less carb/protein ratio). Add low-carb, sugar-free desserts (such as LeCarb ice cream or sugar-free chocolate), and you're not going to be suffering much.

For those who are nutty about fruit, vegetables, and whole grains, you can replace the cheese, nuts, milk, ice cream, chocolate, etc., with more of that good stuff :), and still be eating a low-carb diet.
 
your calling me "nutty" crack has not gone unnoticed. if the facts make me nutty than so be it. :)

franklin that's a pretty low fat low calorie lunch. you are either extremely lean or you make up for it somewhere else during the day.
 
Quote from alfonso:





Yes, that's right, Randy.

If the facts do support your position, then of course it's true that just because somebody finds following such a diet difficult is mark against the efficacy of the diet itself. There can't really be any serious doubt about that at all.

I was under the impression, however, that the facts aren't conclusive with respect to low-fat -- 10% fat -- diets being the healthiest diet; given the (alleged) health benefits associated with higher levels of monounsaturated and essential fats.
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http://www.newcenturynutrition.com/public_html/webzine/archives/reversingheart.shtml


Scroll down and read last paragraph first. To me this makes perfect sense.
 
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