Trading on Linux

[d08]

For people who have too much time on their hand? Why would anyone with clear time constraints in life ever waste precious hours hacking an OS and tweak a million things just to get a few apps running? Unless of course you are an OS developer. I never figured out why ordinary people without any real need for Linux switch over from windows. Money constraints is a big lie given they happily spend a multiple on other bullshit in life. Security, safety? Nope, not anymore. Freedom, open source? Not needed for average users. Begs the question to me why linux for anyone unless you are a coder /developer or have very specific needs that only Linux satisfies.

I am a developer, even if the developing is done for myself. Trading and developing software go hand in hand these days. For the average Facebook user/gamer, Windows is fine, I agree.

The tools included and the control over your machine makes developing faster and easier. Open source is extremely valuable and many of the tools I use are only on Linux or are difficult to get to work on Windows.
Security is far better on Linux, you don't need any anti-virus software if you use common sense. Running a very outdated Windows machine is accepting that your files are out there for everyone to access.

I don't know what "million things" you're tweaking, that's not really necessary. For most usage, Linux distros work great out of the box.

Outside of gaming, there is nothing on Windows for me. So I have an overall better experience.

 

[d08]

Very old school way. The much better way today is to run a windows OS and run a Linux distro inside a subsystem via wsl2. Or docker also works quite well on windows now running Linux based processes inside containers. Of course for die hard windows haters or those who can't afford a windows license (chuckle chuckle) this won't be an acceptable solution.

Why do you need Windows if you're going to only use WSL? You have it backwards. It's slower and what's magical in Windows for you?

I have 8 hardware monitors. Do I still need Linux? I have dark theme, do I need Linux? I have a blazing fast OS called windows 11, do I need Linux? I never had a system crash in many years, use a standard suite of apps every single day, everything works perfectly fine with 128gb memory, a fast 8 core cpu, and mirrored nvme drives. Am I missing anything by not having Linux?

Customisation is on another level with something like KDE. It's not essential but a nice-to-have. Does not compare to Windows at all, in Windows you need custom tools for everything and since they sit on top of the default Windows installation, they consume extra memory and CPU cycles.

But sure, in a way you're right. If everything works great on Windows for you, you don't need to switch.

Not every distro does though many do. So you don't think this thread is full of Linux fan boys either? Yes, each one has their own preferences though I question the use of Linux by many here on this site given they are going to such great lengths to get windows based apps running under Linux. If privacy is such concern then it's funny how they are so willing to provide emails and other login details on public chat forums and on social media or risk getting hacked on crypto websites...

Something like system level Python modules are only on Linux as well because the Windows system is too restrictive. Others only develop for Windows and thus users are left without choice. I'm not happy about Windows deliberately having backdoors left in by Microsoft, it does not compare to my login information as my e-mail doesn't store anything critical.

Fair, I guess I did not know how many super capable, high flying elite coders and programmers we have on this forum who all must have Linux because Windows does not satisfy their customization needs, lol.

It doesn't. I needed to compile some code and for that needed Visual Studio, the component download was some 10GB or so and took a very long time due to a crappy connection. So I spent a good 20 hours getting it, when installing I had an error that read something like "Error 54", completely useless and uninformative. So I went to MS help to check for solutions. The solutions were basically "have you tried restarting" or "try removing the downloaded files and doing it again". A joke if that and of course none of it helped at all.

In Linux? GCC was there from the start. I did what I wanted to do within 10 minutes with zero problems and no 10GB downloads required.

I suspect most are hopeless wannabees and MS haters who did not get the message that all professional coders who might use Linux at work still fully bought into the Microsoft ecosystem, whether they want or not. Github is Microsoft owned. The world's most popular script editor and developer IDE as well as cross platform developer tool, visual studio code, is fully Microsoft owned and created, mind you. Good developers understand that all this stuff are just tools to get a job done, nobody cares about who created those tools nor what past track record the creators have. Anyone who spends hours if not days and weeks at tweaking some IDE specific settings is just wasting their own time but don't want to admit it.

I don't like MS but I have used Github before the MS purchase, there are other alternatives like Gitlab, so if MS does try something sneaky, I will just migrate. I also use VSCodium which is VSCode without the telemetry.
You seem to have some type of agenda while most Linux users just want to use the best tools and the best tools for them are rarely on Windows.

 

[Tokenz]

You can completely sandbox (aka isolate) anything that runs within the subsystem or virtual machine.

No you can't, it will still be running in the background.

And Bill Gates for many years has not the slightest say of what is going on at Microsoft. You must have been sleeping throughout the last decade.

You might be right about bill gates, but I still don't like windows or the way it runs

 

[nrstrader]

Worrying about tweaking linux is 20 years outdated. Unlike Windows that can add every dumb feature no one wants imaginable because of the monopoly, linux has actually had massive competition within the ecosystem and the dividends are self evident. People today use the winners of 20 years of competition.

Try to find a review online of someone that moved from Windows to KDE and thinks KDE sucks. I don't even know if that is possible. Even just aesthetically, KDE is beautiful and Windows is ugly and outdated. Windows is clunky and KDE is blazing fast. Even on a 5 year old machine, every window and action is instant with zero lag in KDE.

Customization is not needed until you get use to it and soon it is essential. Like the real time memory use widget in KDE is essential for me now. I like looking in my task bar and seeing I am using 53.4% of memory right now because I am logged in with 3 different users and my cores are barely calculating anything.

Dolphin vs Explorer is a total joke. apt-get vs jumping through hoops on windows is a total joke.

Security is totally laughable. On Linux it is trivial to have full disk encryption

 

[M.W.]

I am working on very complex ai problems. I run 4 GPUs in parallel, and a lot of my time most cpu threads are fully utilized because despite the algorithm utilizing mostly GPUs to perform its matrix calculations on, the CPUs manage the splitting up of workloads and merging of results for distributed workloads. So, I know full well about the management of system resources. I do all that on a windows box. I have done the same workloads on Linux boxes as well and every ai researcher will tell you that there is no perceivable performance advantage of running on Linux vs windows. The numbers speak for themselves.

By the way, you have just named a special case where a Linux OS might be justified. And I did mention that this might make sense. However, what we all now heard through the past 6 pages was mostly users talking about gui adjustments and how to back up a smart phone. For that they are seemingly willing to spend hours if not days to properly install their OS, tweak it, and solve all the small issues that arise. That is pure silliness.

You have no clue about professional usage of a system.
The CPU is needed for real work, it shall not waste CPU cycles for silly desktop management.
Imagine running a highly parallelized simulation program (producer/consumer concept; for example searching the optimal params by using brute force combinatorial searching) that uses 20 SW-threads on a 8core CPU, and that runs in the background for many minutes, or hours, or even days, depending on the size of the problem space...

For example find the best options trade(s) among 500 tickers with all their options (say 8 ExpDates with each having 10 strikes each for Call and Put). Now combine that all together in a construct that covers Stock, Call, Put, Cash and Quantities from 0 to say 10 (meaning 0 to 1000 in practice, ie. 0 to 10 contracts), to cover practically any combination possible.
The address space (ie. the # of combinations) goes into multi-millions...
I need my CPU for solving such problems, not for making a fancy & silly GUI...

 

[M.W.]

So yeah, trading with windows based apps using an emulator.... Shrugs... Isn't that idiotically stupid?

Folks, please be on-topic. This thread is about Trading on the Linux operating system.
Windows fan-bois with their off-topic crap should go away as they disturb the very nature of this thread.

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[MarkBrown]

in my opinion, noting is better than a unix based os. my problem is the lack of trading programs that are available to take advantage of that os. m

 

[ET180]

Link please how Microsoft itself says that without 3rd party virus scanner windows 11 is too vulnerable to operate without. I only use the built in security features for years now and never ever have experienced a single vulnerability, identity theft, Phishing, or other hacks or intrusions. But then I also don't watch porn or do any other stupid sort of things.

For marketing reasons, they would never admit that. The liability is on you, not them anyway. Even in safe mode which only allows you to install apps via the app store and requires you to use Edge for browsing in a special safe mode, they still recommend a virus scanner:

"Yes, we recommend all Windows devices use antivirus software." (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-and-windows-11-in-s-mode-faq)

 

[M.W.]

As said I fully agree with you to use Linux when you need work specific tools and Linux is a must at some work places.

Nobody needs Virus scanners or 3rd party security tools for windows anymore. Highly reputable computer groups attested that the built in tools are as powerful if not more powerful than almost all 3rd party applications.

Just take a read on askUbuntu or the Unix stackexchange subgroup. Many of the answers there are plain wrong, because most users even those who claim expertise don't know a thing when it comes to different distros or kernels. The number issues users are debating and trying to solve are ridiculous in nature. Stuff you would never ever think are a thing. Try to properly set up an Nvidia gpu on Linux for deep learning purposes. Next to be utilized for gui based Linux apps. Next try to configure 2 or 4 gpus that run on the same box. Next try the same with amd gpu. Good luck, I will check up on you days or weeks later. A total and complete chaos even for highly advanced users. Check on the Nvidia forum or the tensorflow forums how even users who are using Linux every single day get stuck time and again. You need to be an absolute expert just to properly operate this operating system which is plain stupid given an OS is just a tool, nothing else.

And that's just one out of a million issues. Most users here or anyplace else have zero business to handle Linux because they are way underqualified. Yet they still do and then keep asking question after question.

All the power to those who know how to handle Linux and who don't need anything else. Most even on this thread clearly do not fall into this group.

I am a developer, even if the developing is done for myself. Trading and developing software go hand in hand these days. For the average Facebook user/gamer, Windows is fine, I agree.

The tools included and the control over your machine makes developing faster and easier. Open source is extremely valuable and many of the tools I use are only on Linux or are difficult to get to work on Windows.
Security is far better on Linux, you don't need any anti-virus software if you use common sense. Running a very outdated Windows machine is accepting that
your files are out there for everyone to access.

I don't know what "million things" you're tweaking, that's not really necessary. For most usage, Linux distros work great out of the box.

Outside of gaming, there is nothing on Windows for me. So I have an overall better experience.

 

[earth_imperator]

Hey @M.W., do this: