Trading needs the same "revolution" that martial arts went through 15 years ago

[Streetwise]

Quote from Gringinho:

Streetwise,

you won't hear any arguments from me about Muay Thai having overall the most powerful kicks. But I trained actively for as long as not belittle other styles or get "religious" about styles - even Nanbudo where they primarily defend - since I met accomplished fighters of any type. Here in Brazil they have the Capoeira, which I first knew around 1991 in Europe. I thought it was some hippies playing and singing "kumbaya" at the time. Then seeing Capoeira professionals here in Brazil I changed my mind and found a lot of respect for their style and acrobatics. I thought the same of Kung Fu at some point, until I was kicked in the head so hard that I flew back more than a meter and landed on my back in a regional full contact competition with a Viet Vo Dao practitioner and saw their skills for what they were.

You Brasilian ? and you into this TMA gunk ?

that's weird man when you have BJJ , VT , etc why you follow this masterbation thing yah ?

Well anyone can beat anyone , I never believe anything unless I see it verified in high level competition.

 

[nkhoi]

Quote from Gringinho:

.. a Viet Vo Dao practitioner and saw their skills for what they were.

viet vo dao or vovinam has a signature move flying scissor kick
had you seen it?

 

[Wayne Gibbous]

Quote from Fractals 'R Us:

I had a guy come up behind me with a garrote once. I actually knew he was back there and made the right move by getting a finger tip under the wire just as it closed on my neck without thinking. That enabled me to get my other hand under the wire and get the guy off me.

Good gosh, where do you live/what do you do, to get attacked with a garrote?

Doesn't sound like fun...

 

[Gringinho]

Quote from nkhoi:

viet vo dao or vovinam has a signature move flying scissor kick
had you seen it?

Actually, it's not a kick.
They jump up and "grab on the neck" with their feet/legs and twist the body to throw the opponent... it is truly remarkable, and I never had thought something like that possible.

My first martial arts instructor was Vietnamese, and I graduated a black belt under him in ITF Tae Kwon-Do. He was the most explosive guy I have met in all my life, and both he and his brother could do tons of acrobatic tricks. We also had a lot of contact with other styles, associations and other practitioners from other clubs. It was very good since he would always tie things in to philosophy and sometimes Buddhism. We also had Vietnamese monks and others coming to hang out with us. It was really great.

We developed really strict discipline throughout the whole association as well, putting very strict rules on conduct inside and outside the gym.

 

[IronFist]

Quote from Gringinho:


it is all about the person who fights - not their "style".

You are about 98% incorrect.

The only reason you're still 2% correct is because things like "heart" cannot be "taught" to a fighter.

That being said, a person with intense fighting spirit using TKD will still lose to a guy who is bored using bjj >90% of the time.

And a brilliant trader using Woodie's bullshit will still lose money 100% of the time.

 

[IronFist]

Quote from FerdinandAlx:

Does anyone have experience with Krav Maga?

(note that this doesn't apply to ALL Krav Maga schools; just the one I went to)

I moved to a new town and there was only one MA school there, and it was Krav Maga.

I called and talked to the guys and the guy said he would give me 2 free lessons if I wanted.

Basically, it was just another McDojo. There was never any sparring or training against a resisting opponent. We did some shitty boxing drill and the instructor yelled at me because I kept by hands close to my face (from MMA training) and because I wasn't reaching out to intercept incoming punches!!!

The first thing you learn in MMA is never ever, ever, EVER reach out to grab an incoming punch.

Suffice to say the rest of the class was a joke, the teacher didn't believe in "ground fighting," and I never went back for the second free lesson.

I felt bad for the people in there who legitimately thought they were learning how to defend themselves.

 

[IronFist]

Quote from bjjtrader:

The reason why most martial arts are crap
BEST VIDEO OUT THERE THAT TELLS THE TRUTH

Also the reason trading simulators are mostly garbage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWfK6aqWiNU

Hell yes! I used to train at SBGi!!!! (and then I had to move )

I trained with them like 4 years ago. I absolutely agree with their "aliveness" concept.

PS. bjjtrader you have a PM.

 

[bjjtrader]

Hapkido/Aikido do not have better wrest control or techniques, simply because they are not practiced full force against live resisting opponents, like BJJ guys do.

You can practice your wrist locks against a guy who sticks his arm straight out at you and waits for an hour a million times and you still will lose a wrist lock war against a BJJ guy who trains it every day against real live resisting opponents.

Further, the hapkido/aikido guy will be lost trying to apply a wrist lock when he is being crushed in a pin from the BJJ guy and cant breathe because he simply has never learned proper positioning and how to take that kind of pressure on the ground.

Getting a wrist lock on someone who is swinging and trying to take your head off is nearly impossible. Getting a wrist lock on someone from a controlling/pinning position like a BJJ guy does, happens all the time.

Again, wrist locks, eye gouging, throat strikes.... is 98% TMA marketing because their shit doesnt work. Nothing but excuses. Just like the god of the gaps.

If your safety relies on knowing a few dirty techniques, then you are not safe at all.

Quote from Gringinho:

Grabbing one wrist and with the other breaking a finger is not that difficult... some BJJs and other grapplers, wrestlers, Judo, Sambo, farm hand - whatever person can have very strong grip which is difficult to break lose, especially on the ground with limited movement.

Also, Hapkido is much better at wrist control than pure grappling is. Hapkido makes extensively use of it, like Aikido - only more linear and direct movements.

BJJ elite and UFC heavy-weight champ Antonio Minotauro Nogueira has a famously strong grip which he uses off the bottom position to avoid damage - wrist control. Another effective technique is head control to avoid posturing and thereby denying strikes from opponent in top position.

Grapplers are no different to anyone else, when it comes to small join manipulations and eye-gouging.
Some wrestlers use body odor as an edge in grappling, though; and Matt Lindland is famous for this.

 

[IronFist]

wtf this thread got moved? Now no one will see it.

Well anyway it was supposed to be about trading but I guess it got off topic.

Anyway, MA is good stuff so it's still a good thread

 

[bigmrfrank]

MMA is a sport and nothing more. BBJ works better in the ring of rules than on the street and can not work against multiple opponents - unless they are 8 years old.