Total US Debt Rises Over $18 Trillion; Up 70% Under Barack Obama

[gwb-trading]

Was it more than the money given to Halliburton,Blackwater,the rest of the Bush buddy war profiteers etc?Not excusing Obama if what you say is true just curious and I have to look more into your claims.

At least Halliburton, Blackwater, etc. actually delivered products and services as per the requirements of their government contracts.

The issue I have is with crony capitalism that delivers nothing whatsoever while taking in tax payer dollars.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not a big fan of Halliburton, Blackwater, etc. either.

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100 Wasteful Stimulus Projects That Actually Cost America Jobs
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[jem]

history will likely show the worst Obama disaster was his giving nuke material, billions of dollars money and a treaty to Iran cover as build delivery systems and zero breakout time to nuke bombs at the end of a few years.

just as history has shown us... clinton did the same with North Korea, sold out stealth secrets to China and helped eliminate glass steagal...

and this return to bush whataboutism is no excuse. bush sucked too.

 

[Tony Stark]

history will likely show the worst Obama disaster was his giving nuke material, billions of dollars money and a treaty to Iran cover as build delivery systems and zero breakout time to nuke bombs at the end of a few years.

just as history has shown us... clinton did the same with North Korea, sold out stealth secrets to China and helped eliminate glass steagal...

and this return to bush whataboutism is no excuse. bush sucked too.

7 months into Trumps term Iran has no nukes.Iran is not even an issue right now. Obama prevented Iran from getting nukes on his watch.If Iran gets nukes on Trumps watch its 100% on Trump

 

[Spike Trader]

7 months into Trumps term Iran has no nukes.Iran is not even an issue right now. Obama prevented Iran from getting nukes on his watch.If Iran gets nukes on Trumps watch its 100% on Trump

Exactly , when you start imposing sanctions and treat a country(which never declared war on another in 300 years) as a pariah state and expect the world to do the same , then something is going to break. You cannot expect the Iranians to sit still and do nothing.

If Iran goes nuclear , blame Trump. Go after Pakistan instead of giving them money. Osama was there.

 

[jem]

because we live on 7 fricken month time frame.

that is so fucking dumb and partisan. we are talking existential threats and you fools are saying obama is not president so its not his fault. really tony you are worried about 100 year time from for something that helps crops grown (co2) and you are not concerned about nuclear bombs.... from all our future people potentially nuked by the missile delivery system and the yellow cake and the nuclear bomb enhancements during this time of Obama's treaty thank you for being so partisan.

Obama imploded health care he risks exploding the west.

And spike...stable countries don't go around threaten other with nuclear destruction... as Iran and North Korea has.

and don't come back with some sort of ridiculous but the US did x false equivalence crap.

7 months into Trumps term Iran has no nukes.Iran is not even an issue right now. Obama prevented Iran from getting nukes on his watch.If Iran gets nukes on Trumps watch its 100% on Trump

 

[Tony Stark]

because we live on 7 fricken month time frame.

that is so fucking dumb and partisan. we are talking existential threats and you fools are saying obama is not president so its not his fault. really tony you are worried about 100 year time from for something that helps crops grown (co2) and you are not concerned about nuclear bombs.... from all our future people potentially nuked by the missile delivery system and the yellow cake and the nuclear bomb enhancements during this time of Obama's treaty thank you for being so partisan.

Obama imploded health care he risks exploding the west.

And spike...stable countries don't go around threaten other with nuclear destruction... as Iran and North Korea has.

and don't come back with some sort of ridiculous but the US did x false equivalence crap.

1.Iran has no nukes so Trump did not inherit a nuclear armed Iran.

2.Trump is in charge now.If you're so worried and angry thats where that anger should be placed.Tell Trump to take his focus off of tax cuts for the rich and deal the grave Iranian threat.

 

[jem]

don't you fucking understand what obama did? that is the damn point.

Obama protected Iran from any US president or Isreal or the UN and every one else... with his "treaty".

he gave them the cover of a fricken treaty... so that Iran can continue to develop their nuke program and neither the US or any other country can prevent them from doing so without being accused of violating international law.

Obama gave them a develop a nuke weapons program pass, plus cash, plus yellowcake an d when all this development is done at the end of a little more than a decade they will have the delivery systems and according to Obama himself zero break out time to a nuclear bomb.

When they use a Nuke on Isreal or the US it will have the signature of Barack Obama in the nuclear fallout. The readings will have to be done in how many Baracks of radiation are still left 50 years later.

1.Iran has no nukes so Trump did not inherit a nuclear armed Iran.

2.Trump is in charge now.If you're so worried and angry thats where that anger should be placed.Tell Trump to take his focus off of tax cuts for the rich and deal the grave Iranian threat.

 

[vanzandt]

don't you fucking understand what obama did? that is the damn point.

Obama protected Iran from any US president or Isreal or the UN and every one else... with his "treaty".

he gave them the cover of a fricken treaty... so that Iran can continue to develop their nuke program and neither the US or any other country can prevent them from doing so without being accused of violating international law.

Obama gave them a develop a nuke weapons program pass, plus cash, plus yellowcake an d when all this development is done at the end of a little more than a decade they will have the delivery systems and according to Obama himself zero break out time to a nuclear bomb.

When they use a Nuke on Isreal or the US it will have the signature of Barack Obama in the nuclear fallout. The readings will have to be done in how many Baracks of radiation are still left 50 years later.

All that may be true... but fwiw....we can drop MOAB's, fire Tomahawks, or do anything else we damn well please to neutralize any of Iran's facilities with no repercussions of the sort we face in NK. Iran is not an issue. When they get close enough to point a nuke at Israel, trust me, we'll level the sandbox.

 

[Max E.]

Everyone who is not an idiot knows who sets the purse strings, reality is not on your side on this one Tony, when did spending explode? When Dems took everything, when is the only times in history it has slowed or went down, when republicans had control of both chambers.

For you to make it out like liberals are the ones who are the low spenders and the deficit hawks is just a complete and utter denial of reality, the only places with higher debt/GDP than liberal states, are canadian provinces like Ontario and quebec, and news flash, its all run by liberals. In order for someone to think that liberals are the ones running a tight ship, you need to have a strong deference to reality.

If you were to project this chart out further the deficit only dropped when republicans took control again, it is absolutely fucking ridiculous to make the claim you are making, and it blows my mind that so called educated individuals would even make the argument that the party of big government actually saves us money.

 

[Tony Stark]

don't you fucking understand what obama did? that is the damn point.

Obama protected Iran from any US president or Isreal or the UN and every one else... with his "treaty".

he gave them the cover of a fricken treaty... so that Iran can continue to develop their nuke program and neither the US or any other country can prevent them from doing so without being accused of violating international law.

Obama gave them a develop a nuke weapons program pass, plus cash, plus yellowcake an d when all this development is done at the end of a little more than a decade they will have the delivery systems and according to Obama himself zero break out time to a nuclear bomb.

When they use a Nuke on Isreal or the US it will have the signature of Barack Obama in the nuclear fallout. The readings will have to be done in how many Baracks of radiation are still left 50 years later.

Trump can end the treaty jem. Trump can act to stop them from getting nukes if they try.If Iran gets nukes under Trump its 100% on Trump.