Top Dems Well Aware Of CIA Interrogations

[hapaboy]

Quote from trefoil:

This, by the way, is a naked appeal to emotion, a standard tactic of demagogues. That, and an appeal to fear, their other standard tactic. Of course, the people who like them also resort to this shitty tactic. No surprise there.
Now, if you actually go back and reread what you quoted from me, you won't find any statement about moral equivalence. What you will find is that US generals are against it for the simple and practical reason that it endangers our soldiers in the field.
I called you swine, cowardly swine, because that is precisely what you are: not because you would do what the people who tortured those soldiers did, or because you're advocating the equivalent. You're swine because your fear has so taken you over that you would throw away rights won for you over 200 years by men who fought and died for them merely because you're scared. These men fought at different times when the US was directly attacked, twice by the British, in the Revolution and in 1812, by Mexico 100 years later, and by Japan at Pearl Harbor. None of those brave men gave in to their fears to the extent you and your fellows have.
They knew what they were fighting for, and it sure wasn't the right to torture.
You are despicable.

Yawn. Look, I wish I lived in your little bubble of a world where we could send captured terrorists into a corner, give them a timeout, and ask them to pretty-please tell us about their operations. However, I live in the real world, where very bad people want to do very bad things to this country and its citizens. Even to a useful idiot like you. And your family.

I repeat: waterboarding is NOT the same as what was done to those two young soldiers I posted about earlier. If you think their comrades would have hesitated for a moment to waterboard a captured insurgent if doing so may have led to them being found before they were castrated, had their eyes gouged out, ears cut off, etc., you're a complete and utter moron.

Come visit the real world, where war is hell and insurgents and terrorists are not protected by the Geneva Convention.

And by the way, your previous post about torture being utterly ineffective is assinine. If you really believe that, do some research on the Gestapo and what results they got, or the French in Algeria.

Wake up, Neo.

 

[trefoil]

Quote from TGregg:

It's typical that a moron libtard thinks that fundamentalist Islamics who engage in real torture would only subject their victims to waterboarding. In their wiffle-ball universe perhaps if we gave terrorists we caught truffles and cheese every day, why then they'd give our soldiers three squares a day.

And who said that? As you well know, it wasn't me.
I'm prepared to sit here 'til Hell freezes over. Go find it.

As for you, hapaboy, here:

Level C: For troops at a high risk of capture and whose position, rank or seniority make them vulnerable to greater than average exploitation efforts by any captor. Level C focuses on resistance in terms of prison camps and serious military interrogation.

In other words, to prevent, obviously to the extent humanly possible, being broken by torture. Like that better? Should I hire a lawyer next time I post?
Ass.

 

[trefoil]

Quote from hapaboy:

Yawn. Look, I wish I lived in your little bubble of a world where we could send captured terrorists into a corner, give them a timeout, and ask them to pretty-please tell us about their operations. However, I live in the real world, where very bad people want to do very bad things to this country and its citizens. Even to a useful idiot like you. And your family.

I repeat: waterboarding is NOT the same as what was done to those two young soldiers I posted about earlier. If you think their comrades would have hesitated for a moment to waterboard a captured insurgent if doing so may have led to them being found before they were castrated, had their eyes gouged out, ears cut off, etc., you're a complete and utter moron.

Come visit the real world, where war is hell and insurgents and terrorists are not protected by the Geneva Convention.

And by the way, your previous post about torture being utterly ineffective is assinine. If you really believe that, do some research on the Gestapo and what results they got, or the French in Algeria.

Wake up, Neo.

They were both defeated. So much for that.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from trefoil:

As for you, hapaboy, here:

Level C: For troops at a high risk of capture and whose position, rank or seniority make them vulnerable to greater than average exploitation efforts by any captor. Level C focuses on resistance in terms of prison camps and serious military interrogation.

In other words, to prevent, obviously to the extent humanly possible, being broken by torture. Like that better? Should I hire a lawyer next time I post?
Ass.

Good for you, Neo, on slipping in the "to the extent humanly possible" as it changes the context.

So how's your research going with respect to your ludicrous statement that torture is ineffective?

Also, what interogation methods, if any, would you employ on someone like KMS? Hopefully something more severe than a timeout...

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from trefoil:

They were both defeated. So much for that.

LOL! You obfuscate at an extremely high level. Even the resident troll would be impressed with the amount of bullshit you are able to spew. Congratulations!

Newsflash, Neo: That those countries lost the war does not in any way corroborate your ludicrous proposal that torture is never effective.

Looks like you're stepping back into that hazy Utopian world where you've resided lo these many years...

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from Thunderdog:

The issue at hand is that we have fairly established that waterboarding is indeed torture, and has been demonstrably regarded as such by the US in the past...

Quote from CaptainObvious:

...You have the edge in your torture argument...

Quote from hapaboy:

Your opinion only about what has been "fairly established," sorry.

CaptainObvious, how would you best describe and explain, in your own words, hapaboy's unwillingness to concede reality?

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from Thunderdog:

CaptainObvious, how would you best describe and explain, in your own words, hapaboy's unwillingness to concede reality?

So, it's the old divide and conquer tactic. I don't know what Hap is willing to concede to or not. I would only guess that he and I are on the same page when it comes to interrogating terrorists... water boarding has proven effective in some cases and has resulted in the saving of thousands of lives. Knowing that, all the high minded ideology becomes irrelevant.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Is it really obama's policy that if we somehow captured a terrorist with knowledge of an imminent 9/11 type plot, that we would read him his rights and get him an ACLU lawyer?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Is it really obama's policy that if we somehow captured a terrorist with knowledge of an imminent 9/11 type plot, that we would read him his rights and get him an ACLU lawyer?

Yes, and after he's been cleared of any wrong doing he'll be given US citizenship and job with the federal government.
To make up for the fact that we inconvenienced the poor terrorist to begin with.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from Thunderdog:

CaptainObvious, how would you best describe and explain, in your own words, hapaboy's unwillingness to concede reality?

I don't know why it's so meaningful for a guy who won't answer the question as to whether or not he would waterboard a captured terrorist in order to try and get information that may save the lives of his fellow citizens why I do not concede that Bush made a "bold faced lie" about torture...

I guess ragging on Bush (again and again) takes precedent over intellectual honesty and personal conviction.