Thoughtful Progressives See Common Ground With Alt Right

[jem]

by the way chomsky and Piezoe have a major disagreement. Piezoe defends TPP because piezoe is a soros / globalist shill.

Chomsky called TPP a neo liberal assault to further corporate domination.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/noam-chomsky-obama-trans-pacific-partnership_n_4577495.html

Piezoe if you are in favor of TPP you are not a libertarian.... you are not even a chomsky libertarian as you would have to be against tpp and banker and corporate domination.

if you are against tpp you are not only a a person who understand what is just, you may be a libertarian.

 

[Piptaker]

You are quite incorrect about the UK. I can't imagine there is a large libertarian following in the rest of Europe, though I cannot say for sure. But on the UK, you're flat out wrong.

What you refer to as "anarcho-capitalism" (which is a totally ridiculous classification of today's Libertarian following) is quite prevalent due to the rise of media outlets that lean in that direction (Breitbart UK, for example).

As for Chomsky, I have no wish to listen to another person spout the same nonsense you are spouting with the fascination in anarchy. Libertarians today don't want anarchy. They want the government to leave them alone. In no way is this the same thing.

Anarcho capitalist's are solving for absolute freedom from state (government) libertarians are not and therefore advocate some form of state control - government (yes some do want less state). Which always leads to some form of oppression and that's the problem anarcho capitist's have with libertarians.
I've had a few discussions with Piezoe in the past on these issues and he certainly has no problem with more state control and government who are also by their very nature corrupt.

 

[piezoe]

Government is a very important and useful tool to preserve our liberty and that is what it should be used for

I very much agree with this, however I fear we would draw vastly different conclusions.

 

[piezoe]

Anarcho capitalist's are solving for absolute freedom from state (government) libertarians are not and therefore advocate some form of state control - government (yes some do want less state). Which always leads to some form of oppression and that's the problem anarcho capitist's have with libertarians.
I've had a few discussions with Piezoe in the past on these issues and he certainly has no problem with more state control and government who are also by their very nature corrupt.

Yes. We disagree on some of these points, because I believe unfettered capitalism, though I consider myself very much a capitalist, leads to tyranny and a curtailment of freedom. There is irony involved. Chomsky has written extensively on this topic. I try to avoid distilling the issue down to a question of more or less state control. I like some kinds of State intervention and don't like other kinds. I'm not enthusiastic about corporate control of government and fascism.

 

[Piptaker]

Yes. We disagree on some of these points, because I believe unfettered capitalism, though I consider myself very much a capitalist, leads to tyranny and a curtailment of freedom. There is irony involved. Chomsky has written extensively on this topic. I try to avoid distilling the issue down to a question of more or less state control. I like some kinds of State intervention and don't like other kinds. I'm not enthusiastic about corporate control of government and fascism.

AC's reasoning would disagree as any form of state intervention to control unfettered capitalism leads to corruption-tyranny-totalitarianism through the process of incrementation.(and the fact that governments are corrupt by nature and can just not be trusted) This is where we are at right now- corporate owned government.

 

[java]

Yes, the government is owned by the corp and they want to take it back. So do the libertarians. The problem arises when it comes to giving it away. One side wants to give it right back to the government.

 

[Piptaker]

Yes. We disagree on some of these points, because I believe unfettered capitalism, though I consider myself very much a capitalist, leads to tyranny and a curtailment of freedom. There is irony involved. Chomsky has written extensively on this topic. I try to avoid distilling the issue down to a question of more or less state control. I like some kinds of State intervention and don't like other kinds. I'm not enthusiastic about corporate control of government and fascism.

Anarcho capitalist philosophy also points out if you support any form of government or Authority then you are supporting slavery - totalitarianism definitively.

 

[Piptaker]

Yes, the government is owned by the corp and they want to take it back. So do the libertarians. The problem arises when it comes to giving it away. One side wants to give it right back to the government.

The system of government isn't working and never will, it has to go .