This is the best time 2 buy ever

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Your dodging the question on purpose arent you stocktrad3r?

How is the market as strong as it ever was today as opposed to say July 13th 2007? You started the thread with this assertation, but havent backed it up yet.

The strength lies in the fact that the market is oversold and the fundamentals are very strong. Sometimes when the market appears strong it suddenly reverses such as last July when the dow gained 300 points and then lost it all the following week.
 
ok, at least you gave me an honest opinion.

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The strength lies in the fact that the market is oversold and the fundamentals are very strong. Sometimes when the market appears strong it suddenly reverses such as last July when the dow gained 300 points and then lost it all the following week.
 
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Historically the markets give a 7% yearly return. About 2/3 of the year is over and we're only up a few percent.

Yes there is strong selling but that only makes the rebound all the more abrupt.

A lot of shorts forgot about the the mon-wed rally. THE DOW GAINED 500 POINTS IN THREE DAYS! That is huge. When the market rebound it will be so sudden and violent that it will decimate all shorts and puts. It will be short armagedon because of the reversion to the mean. Don't forget about the 7% historical return.

I think you mean a 7% historical risk premium?...beause historically, the markets have an expected return of about 11.8%.

And that is just an average. It has absolutely nothing to do with year to year returns. The markets have a one standard deviation of about 15%, which means you have a 67% chance of the market being in a range of either going up another 19% this year or falling another 11% this year.

Lastly, that all assumes a normal distribution which the markets are definitely NOT normally distributed.

*edit*...had to fix some numerical errors on my part:(
 
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Since it is 11% that further bolsters my argument.

I'm not sure why you think that. You're using a statistic that is virtually meaningless in terms of a 1-year time-frame.

If you really want to get technical with using statistics, you really only have 63% chance that we'll go higher than 7% returns on the year and a 37% chance that we'll go lower if using straight probabilities.

But like I said, that is really a meaningless thing to say unless you're looking at long-term investing. You can't use the "median" expected returns as a benchmark on a short-term or a medium-term basis. It has zero value in terms of predicting market movement.
 
A statistician is a person who stands in a bucket of ice water then sticks his head in an oven and says “ on average I feel fine! ”
 
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Without a doubt this is is the best time 2 buy ever. The market is stronger thasn ever.


Tthe fed just bailed the markets which mans that they are aware of the so called bear and suborime problem and won't let it get much worse.

ALso the subprime is no big deal. No big headlines A fe hedgefunds going bust isnt a big deal. NO ones cares. I stil dont see why people are making such a big deal over some stupid funds and subprimes and lending and liquidity. Not a big deal I say again.

When the dow crosses 14000 again it wil be as if none of that stuff even mattered. All put behind us.

Also the smarties who want the market to go higher will win. We got strong revenue and tons of spendism and paymentism and consumer spending. We got coperationism, consumerism, monetizationsim, and smartism. A society of peoplespending money and voting in the 2008 elections. Borders OPEN! Need more crap labor


You'll have to forgive me disagreeing with you, but I hardly think this will qualify as the best buying opportunity EVER. A good buying opportunity, sure thats possible - at this point I'm open to the idea that my bearish scenario and analysis, while spot on, is going to take awhile to play out because the big important folks are not just going to roll over. I think though that one of the reasons people don't have a lot of respect for you here, even though thus far you have had a good track record, is because of outragious statements like that. I mean the best buy ever? What about after November of 87, what about March of 2003? What about buying Airlines on Sept 17th 2001 (have a look at LUV and CAL if you are anaware of what I'm talking about). Even those examples, while all good, maybe even great buying opportunities in hindsight might fall short of being the best time ever.

I guess what I'm saying is if you were to tone down your statements, some valid points you have had might actually get through to people, people might respect you more, even if they disagree with you. Of course on the 'net some people have strange motivations and want to create a personality that they can not or will not express in real life, and that is a legit if thats what your doing. Anyway, carry on.
 
The thread title is intended to be sensationalist to a degree. Best buying opp. ever? Nope that would be 1939 end of great depression or Oct 2002. But it is good buying opp. and it is catchier than calling the thread '23rd best buying opportunity ever' or something like that.
 
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