This financial markets bubble is different, is it not?

Apple almost double in a year with negative earnings.

It's definitely a bubble


At the rate apple is moving it will be a $1.5 trillion dollar company this time next year. Earnings on apple do not warrant a $1.5 trillion dollar market cap.

And I find it amusing that stocks can go up for a decade straight and not be overbought or in a bubble but a market that sells off 3% in a 2 1/2 weeks is considered oversold...
 
Apple almost double in a year with negative earnings.

It's definitely a bubble

Then I don't think you don't really know what a "bubble" is, and I have no idea what you think "negative earnings" are. Any real bubble will eventually pop and stay at a much lower valuation for many years. In ten years, I highly doubt these levels will be characterized as a bubble on a long term chart.
 
Look back at the last few bubbles. Look up the articles written during the market run and just before the bursting of the bubble and the collapse. All you consistently hear is that markets would continue running higher and higher and higher, that any talk of a bubble was insane, you could even look at what the fed was saying at the height of the housing bubble, it was one lie after the next and the next and the next.

The euphoria of a market bull run will make anyone with a slight opposite agenda look completely clueless, foolish and idiotic meanwhile the "clueless, foolish and idiotic" are actually the ones that can see through the smoked mirrors and false pretenses of any market environment.
 
At the rate apple is moving it will be a $1.5 trillion dollar company this time next year. Earnings on apple do not warrant a $1.5 trillion dollar market cap.

And I find it amusing that stocks can go up for a decade straight and not be overbought or in a bubble but a market that sells off 3% in a 2 1/2 weeks is considered oversold...

lol how many times do I have to show the math.

$1.5t is a number... it looks huge now, but at 1 point in history some company hit the $1.5b market it was sure considered 'not warranted' back then lol.

why is it so difficult for people to have a flexible mind... aapl forward p/e is what 19, 20 ish?

their bond is selling on the open market at 2% yield....

why can people not think in the same term so they can compare... 2% yield is 50 p/e.... and for the company the 2 things are interchangeable.. issue bonds, buy back stocks.. why is it still such a foreign idea.

it's already glove off time.... time to stop hiding under a rock?
 
Look back at the last few bubbles. Look up the articles written during the market run and just before the bursting of the bubble and the collapse. All you consistently hear is that markets would continue running higher and higher and higher, that any talk of a bubble was insane, you could even look at what the fed was saying at the height of the housing bubble, it was one lie after the next and the next and the next.

The euphoria of a market bull run will make anyone with a slight opposite agenda look completely clueless, foolish and idiotic meanwhile the "clueless, foolish and idiotic" are actually the ones that can see through the smoked mirrors and false pretenses of any market environment.

The forecasts of many people on here have been pretty bad in all market conditions. In your cases, you have been absurdly bad, at a level one can only perform at if one believes in as whole lot of shit and doesn't understand stock markets at all. What you are not getting here is at all times you are seeking out articles and news according to that intense negative bias of yours; either to ridicule the author or confirm your ideas on the next big imminent crash. In reality, your portrayal of the conditions in the past is complete horseshit colored by your approach.

There is no "euphoria" at this time. In fact, at times this year market sentiment has been overly negative, fear is over the top, too many people failed to fully participate in a nice year to be long equities.
 
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Yes, because there's no way this could go wrong.
Maduro of Venezuela knows nothing can go go wrong as his people are starving and inflation is hitting 10,000 per cent. The only thing thing keeping inflation from going higher is a shortage of paper to print bank notes.
 
There is no "euphoria" at this time. In fact, at times this year market sentiment has been overly negative, fear is over the top, too many people failed to fully participate in a nice year to be long equities.

The problem looms in the shadows.

While the market continues to move higher it's having a perverse effect of driving people away. My Broke Person Indicator (TM) has indicated that when people at starbucks start talking about recessions it's generally bad. While we may not have a recession there are looming threats surrounding the student loan crisis, rising healthcare costs, affordably priced housing, etc. This year Trump removed borrower protections on payday loans. The payday loan industry operates based principally on creating a revolving debt door where they pass customers between each other by virtue of these people requiring more loans to pay off previous loans. 12 million people a year get trapped on this treadmill with a huge contingent of them being millennials by virtue of simultaneous student loan, rent, and stagnating wages in most industries. Many more of them are fixed income earners who are, without surprise, suffering from many of the same problems millennials are. It has never been a better time to be a scumbag shithead payday loan company. Total credit card debt has increased 4.7% y/y and there's no sign of it slowing down. We are staring a crisis in the face and doing nothing about it.

The recession will come as a result of people shoving money under their bed instead of spending it. Stimulus packages and massive tax cuts should be given to working and middle class people and raised north of 80% on the top earners. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed and a stimulus would just result in even more money being saved. December could be a rout as a result. Taxes are going up next year on the middle class by virtue of the IRS removing basically any write off ability for single filers making more than 100,000 a year. I know in 2020 I'll be focused on squirreling away as much money as I can. While the rich get richer, those of us in the middle class (the heart of the American Dream) are continually punished for trying to improve ourselves (god help you if you are both middle class and single!) The exact kind of people who propel the economy, middle class people with spending money, are now hiding as much money as they can instead of spending it. Of course, it goes without saying poor people aren't spending either.

It's going to get much worse before it gets better.
 
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The negative sentiment on this site is starting to remind me of 2011-2012 again. Bring back "Grand_Super_Cycle" and his forecast of the market crash that will be bigger then ever occurring sometime in 2013. Or "Denner" and his declaration the whole stock market was a bubble and that Gold at $1800 an ounce was a far better investment. The absolute certainty that some people think that markets will go down hard despite the evidence otherwise.

I highly doubt we crash in such an environment. Too many people on the sidelines scared to participate.
 
The negative sentiment on this site is starting to remind me of 2011-2012 again. Bring back "Grand_Super_Cycle" and his forecast of the market crash that will be bigger then ever occurring sometime in 2013. Or "Denner" and his declaration the whole stock market was a bubble and that Gold at $1800 an ounce was a far better investment. The absolute certainty that some people think that markets will go down hard despite the evidence otherwise.

I highly doubt we crash in such an environment. Too many people on the sidelines scared to participate.
Just to throw a wrench in your thinking, there was post made yesterday by @comagnum where he linked to a video on youtube.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...ifferent-is-it-not.338194/page-2#post-4969494

Now the video he linked isn't what I'm getting at here, but the content this guy has is very good. In particular, he made several videos on the repo market.



Watch the videos and make of it what you will. But if you ask me, this does sound like a much bigger problem than the media headlines care to admit. If there really is a bank that is in trouble, this may very well be the catalyst that starts the downtrend.
 
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