They don't want peace, they want war...
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Keep trying the false claim strategy, it has worked so well in the past...
LOL! What a one trick pony...
LOL! What a one trick pony...
Largest per capita?? Not true! It is Israel as in the report I posted before.
The aid pipeline
There are at least three ways in which aid to Israel is different from that of any other country. First, since 1982, U.S. aid to Israel has been transferred in one lump sum at the beginning of each fiscal year, which immediately begins to collect interest in U.S. banks. Aid that goes to other countries is disbursed throughout the year in quarterly installments.
Second, Israel is not required to account for specific purchases. Most countries receive aid for very specific purposes and must account for how it is spent. Israel is allowed to place US aid into its general fund, effectively eliminating any distinctions between types of aid. Therefore, U.S. tax-payers are helping to fund an illegal occupation, the expansion of colonial-settlement projects, and gross human rights violations against the Palestinian civilian population..
A third difference is the sheer amount of aid the U.S. gives to Israel, unparalleled in the history of U.S. foreign policy. Israel usually receives roughly one third of the entire foreign aid budget, despite the fact that Israel comprises less than .001 of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. In other words, Israel, a country of approximately 6 million people, is currently receiving more U.S. aid than all of Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined when you take out Egypt and Colombia.
This year, the U.S. Congress approved $2.76 billion in its annual aid package for Israel. The total amount of direct U.S. aid to Israel has been constant, at around $3 billion (usually 60% military and 40% economic) per year for the last quarter century. A new plan was recently implemented to phase out all economic aid and provide corresponding increases in military aid by 2008. This year Israel is receiving $2.04 billion in military aid and $720 million in economic aid there is only military aid.
http://www.wrmea.com/html/usaidtoisrael0001.htm
In addition, had it not for the economic strangulation and the intentional destruction by the colonizing state of Israel of any viable hope of progress, Palestine would've managed to do just fine. Come to think about it, the aid to the Palestinian people in the occupied territories should be discounted from the billions of dollars Israel receives yearly in grants and give aways, for the simple fact that it is due to the intentional campaign Carried by Israel to drive the Palestinians to the brink of starvation in hope that they would empty their land so that you would occupy it.
Palestinians the largest per capita recipients of international development assistance in the world.
How many more reputable sources do you need to get it through your thick skull, your barbaric tribe is the largest per capita recipient of foreign aid worldwide. And given your ugly corrupt, islamo-nazi medieval nature you are not using it to improve your standard of living, you are using it to smuggle weapons and attack israel. And of course we should not forget Suha Arafat's swiss bank accounts.
LOL, just out of curiosity, why do you take out Egypt and Colombia when calculating the aid allocated to Africa and Latin America? You people are too funny, who are you trying to fool?
Fact: US aid to Israel is not extraordinary in amount
20% of all US Foreign aid.
Fact: US support for Israel in terms of political military is not extraordinary considering US obligated itself by treaty to protect militarily such worthless countries as poland, romania, lithuania, latvia (due to NATO).
Very good point! US obligation to NATO members is as you said! An obligation to member of a body according to specific obligatory TRESTIES; What is/ are the "Legal" obligations or formal treaties obligating the United States to Israel?
Furthermore, we are talking about continuous military aid, on yearly bases to the state of Israel; can you point to me, which NATO member received such generous offer on continuous bases??
Foreign military financing
Note: This is not a comprehensive listing of US ESF and military aid to Israel.
Year FMF ESF Supplementals NADR-ATA TOTAL
2001 FMF: $1,975,644,000+ ESF: $838,000,000 = $2,813,644,000
2002 FMF:$2,040,000,000+ ESF:$720,000,000+ NADR-ATA: $28,000,000= $2,788,000,000
2003 FMF:$2,086,350,000+ ESF: $596,100,000+ Supplementals: $1,000,000,000= $3,682,450,000
2004 FMF:$2,147,256,000+ ESF:$477,168,000= $2,624,424,000
2005 FMF:$2,202,240,000+ ESF:$357,120,000+ Supplementals: $50,000,000+ NADR-ATA:$210,000= $2,609,570,000
2006 (estimated) FMF:$2,257,200,000+ ESF:$273,600,000+ NADR-ATA:$526,000= $2,531,326,000
2007 (requested) FMF:$2,340,000,000+ ESF$120,000,000+ NADR-ATA:$320,000= $2,460,320,000
Total 2001-2007 FMF:$15,048,690,000+ ESF:$3,381,988,000+ Supplementals:$1,050,000,000+ NADR-ATA:$29,056,000= $19,509,734,000
Tell me which NATO member or a group of NATO members received such unconditional military support from the US.
Furthermore, NATO members are obligated to come to the aid of the US in time of war, is Israel obligated?
Fact: US supports Israel for many reasons, but primarily because of Israel's benefit to US in terms of US foreign policy objectives in the region (free flow of oil, countering pan arabic nationalism, outpost of us interests)
So wrong! Oil flow in the 70s, oil stopped flowing because of US support to Israel. Furthermore, if you looked at countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt, it did not take Israel pressure for them to foot out 3 trillion dollars in Sovereign Funds to bail out the US economy less than a year ago.
Damn, someone was misguided enough to try to attack my points.
Point 1) Who cares whether it is 20 or 40% of US aid if Egypt receives either an exact or very similar amount? 6 billion is a paltry sum to be honest.
US has not a signed a treaty to protect Israel which means in case a major power attacks Israel US would not be drawn in automatically. This is not the case with Poland or other worthless countries. US supports Israel because it is perceived to be in US national interests. I gave the example of Taiwan some time ago and there were no takers. If US can risk a nuclear confrontation over a fucking island support of Israel is not unreasonable.
When we are talking about "new" members of NATo we are talking about countries that actually were part of the Warsaw pact and were AGAINST US. Israel was with US during the same time period. This is weak to suggest that US support of Israel is unconditional. US has not been an open belligerent on the side of Israel in any Arab-Israeli war.
Yeah, Poland is obligated to come to US aid in case of a war. The value of such "obligation" should be shameful to even suggest as a point.
Point 2) You fail to realize Arabs had a bone to pick with western nations BEFORE cold war. Which means, arabs are not natural allies and cannot be trusted. US support of Israel was natural and paid off. Soviet Union influenced Egypt&Co. and without Israel there would be no counterbalance.
You take out Israel from the equation during cold war and US would be at the mercy of arab states playing great powers against each other (or even worse siding with soviet union).
The reason oil sheiks decided to pump money into US economy was not out of a sense of loyalty or charity (they have none) they perceive it as a money making opportunity.
P.S How hard is it to understand, we are culturally ALIEN to a state like saudi arabia. Drinking alcohol is a crime there. Whether you like it or not, Israel fits the definition of a modern state and saudi arabia does not. Cultural proximity is not something to arbitrarily throw out when talking about alliances.
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Damn, someone was misguided enough to try to attack my points.
Misguided? Attack your points? I am not miss-guided! I just happened to know way more than you do. If you want to debate then by all means.
Point 1) Who cares whether it is 20 or 40% of US aid if Egypt receives either an exact or very similar amount? 6 billion is a paltry sum to be honest.
Obviously not you! but for the 12.8% (weighted average) who happened to be under the poverty line, they beg to disagree.
Egypt does not receive the exact amount! Egypt's Aid is "PEGGED" at 2/3 of Israel's. I for one think that the United State has been conned into, once again, footing the bill for Israel security. I do not know if you are aware but that aid started after 1979 when Anwar Sadat agreed to sign a peace treaty with Israel for the sake of receiving this hand-out from the US. Since then, Egypt plummeted into corruption, dictatorship and despair. For the vast majority of people there, this financial aid helped better position a corrupt regime that was on a shaky ground. I am not blaming the US for this blunder but the US should've clearly came out and told both to f-off and to sort their mess on their own.
US has not a signed a treaty to protect Israel which means in case a major power attacks Israel US would not be drawn in automatically.
This is not the case with Poland or other worthless countries. US supports Israel because it is perceived to be in US national interests. I gave the example of Taiwan some time ago and there were no takers. If US can risk a nuclear confrontation over a fucking island support of Israel is not unreasonable.
I disagree on this point. I strongly believe the support with Israel is not related to national interest. Rather, it is internal pressure groups such as the 60 million strong Evangelicals and Israel's lobby in the US. How is it in the national interest in the US when my best ally is spying on me. How is it in my national interest when part of the war against Iraq was due to protecting Israel's interest. How is it that it is in US's interest when the number one reason for Islamic extremism in the Middle East is US's unconditional support toward Israel.
When we are talking about "new" members of NATo we are talking about countries that actually were part of the Warsaw pact and were AGAINST US. Israel was with US during the same time period. This is weak to suggest that US support of Israel is unconditional. US has not been an open belligerent on the side of Israel in any Arab-Israeli war.
You are wrong on two fronts! The only time United states stood against an aggression war carried by Israel was in 1956 when France, UK and Israel attacked Egypt for claiming their national assets. As for the "new" member of the NATO, come on man, who are you trying to fool? We both know that all of the above countries you mentioned were more than Willing to join NATO at any cost especially after they were kept under WARSAW by force. These countries were not against you as you claim and you know it. These countries were occupied by the Soviet Union and were controlled by regimes appointed by the Kremlin.
Yeah, Poland is obligated to come to US aid in case of a war. The value of such "obligation" should be shameful to even suggest as a point.
That is your point but as far as we both remember, that Poland contributed more toward the Iraqi war than Israel did by having soldiers present there for a war that we both know was US's.
Point 2) You fail to realize Arabs had a bone to pick with western nations BEFORE cold war. Which means, arabs are not natural allies and cannot be trusted. US support of Israel was natural and paid off. Soviet Union influenced Egypt&Co. and without Israel there would be no counterbalance.
Wrong again! site me one example to back this argument! Arabs accepted the Soviet Union support, during the cold war, to balance the belligerent American support of Zionist Israel which occupied Palestine.
Now, can you tell me how did US's support toward Israel, during the cold war, pay off for the United States? The Way I see it, it would've been impossible for the Soviet Union to gain a foot hold in the Middle East if it wasn't for the US's support for Israel. Syria, Egypt, PLO, Iraq and many others willingly accepted the Soviet's support only because they felt threatened by Israel and its backer, namely United states. The Arabs and Muslims, due to their rejection to communism as anti religious and nationalistic would've joined the United States over the Soviet Union in a heart beat.
You take out Israel from the equation during cold war and US would be at the mercy of arab states playing great powers against each other (or even worse siding with soviet union).
How so un true! Let us not beat around the bushes shall we? anyone with a slight historical depth of the conflict would've told you that the Middle East, prior to installing this colonization entity at the heart of it, Lived in complete peace. As for the Soviet Union, please read above!
The reason oil sheiks decided to pump money into US economy was not out of a sense of loyalty or charity (they have none) they perceive it as a money making opportunity.
Do you want to talk facts or empty arguments for the sake of proving your point?!
If that is the case, why did it take a visit from Gates to convince "ALL" of these sheiks to foot all of that money?? why didn't they do it prior? Why not a bit after? Why, out of a sudden, and during and after Gates visit did all of that money flow???
As for the money making opportunity, I do not know about you but losing 40% of the trillions of dollars invested is not exactly a money making opportunity.
P.S How hard is it to understand, we are culturally ALIEN to a state like saudi arabia. Drinking alcohol is a crime there. Whether you like it or not, Israel fits the definition of a modern state and saudi arabia does not. Cultural proximity is not something to arbitrarily throw out when talking about alliances.
LOL. If that is the case then how hard is it for you to understand that you will finish yourself off fighting against everyone you perceive as cultrallyALIEN from you! I did not invite you to come to my land and impose your culture on me.
Also, according to your logic, the blacks of South Africa did not deserve to be free for they were ALIEN to you culturally!
Beside; I really dig that the following is not ALIEN to you,
Orthodox Jewish newspapers remove women from Israel cabinet photo
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/270473
Also, I say that we should invade all of the dry counties in the US and install colonizing entities in them because they are ALIEN to you. But then again, you have already installed Zionist entities around the dry counties in Florida.
On a separate not, I do not know if you are aware that the word Alcohol is Arabic in Origin and that the best "Araq" makers are Palestinians and Lebanese.
