There's something wrong with human nature.

[loik]

Quote from nitro:

It has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with choice not of necessity, but of desire.

Have all the sex she wants if she is genuinely attracted to a man. Believe me, that doesn't need to be said. I only say it because you seem to require every last bit of detail, either out of boredom, or you are a dimwit.

Don`t you like that women are craved by men, don`t you like the lack of government redistribution of wealth(socialism/communism)?

It`s basically the law of nature, women seek a provider for themselves and their offspring, and men have usually been more productive than women.

 

[nitro]

Quote from killthesunshine:

nitro, whatever your reason isn't this vigilantism? how do you defend this? you are taking he law into your own hands.

The very first post I made in this thread, I state that the law should be broken when it is clearly a wrong law.

I give an example of reading a book that has been banned as an example of breaking an unjust law. The very first settlers in the US were breaking British law when they dumped tea into the harbor.

 

[loik]

Quote from nitro:

Well, it may well be that the solution would be worse than the disease. I have always wondered about what you are implying, and it is depicted very interestingly in "The Prime Directive" or "The concept of non-interference" in Star Trek.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Directive

My response is (and to the prime directive), I will deal with that problem when I get to it. But when there is a fork in the road, take it.

People have a habit of applying cures that are worse than the ills they`re trying to alleviate, so why bother?

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from nitro:

The very first post I made in this thread, I state that the law should be broken when it is clearly a wrong law.

I give an example of reading a book that has been banned as an example of breaking an unjust law. The very first settlers in the US were breaking British law when they dumped tea into the harbor.

there is that pesky unclear word "clear" again. only laws that are "clearly" wrong should be broken. only drugs that are "clearly" right should be taken(777)

it is all soooo CLEAR

 

[nitro]

Quote from nutmeg:

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Quote from nitro:

Friends have invited me to go "whoring" with them. I always politely decline. All I would see is someones' daughter that fell on hard times. I would try to rescue them.

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You're a good man Nitro.

"Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong. That is your oath." - Kingdom of Heaven

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1418789145/

 

[killthesunshine]

can't tell you trolling or you really believe that stuff

 

[Ghost of Cutten]

Quote from loik:

I don`t use drugs, but other people do, so my question is, why do people use drugs/have a need to escape reality?

We've already told you - they produce sensory pleasure. A bit of basic observation should tell you that large numbers of people enjoy sensory pleasure. You don't have to *need* something to want it. I don't need to be a better trader or to add a zero to my net worth, or to have sex a lot, but I want all those things.

 

[Ghost of Cutten]

Quote from nitro:

You know, it has been well established that words and sentences only mean something within some context, and without that context generating a discourse will only lead to confusion. To simply quote a fraction of what I said only generates inaccuracies. To not read the context of what I was responding to and act only on the words is impulsive. Hold your horses man!

In regards to the comment you make, I have no problem with other people doing drugs as long as its harms to others is minimal. I have said something to this effect already in this thread.

Ok, I was just quoting the bit that I found puzzling, since I agree with quite a bit of what you said - I mean I'm not going to quote the whole post saying "yup. Agree with you there. Fair point nitro" I also do not recommend people to take addictive drugs, or make a habit of going whoring (let alone becoming one). But this thread is not about advice you would give to a friend, it's about what we think should be criminal under the law. That means we have to establish if it's not just undesirable, but sufficiently bad that criminalising it is necessary, and that the latter will actually work and achieve the ends wanted, rather than prove counterproductive. No one is saying "Yeah man - we should all shoot up, go whoring, be mindless hedonists and have a great life". They are just saying that maybe it's highly immoral to jail someone for 20 years for smoking a joint, or falling into hard drug addiction. Maybe, just maybe, people like Rearden Metal have/had a medical addiction issue, rather than being hardened criminals who need to be jailed for half their remaining years on planet earth.

Basically you are discussing what you would like to happen. The rest of us are discussing whether a particular law is right or wrong, and whether it is counterproductive. Big difference - I don't approve of healthy young people committing suicide or anyone becoming an alcoholic, but I don't think that has any bearing on whether suicide or boozing should be crimes.

 

[FeenixRizin]

Quote from FeenixRizin:

The drug laws are fairly insane,...

Now, the big question is should we allow the taxman to get addicted to drug revenues?

The same group of people who push "The Lotto"?

I've done most drugs, (pre-1995), but then again, I don't blame anyone else or expect anyone else to pay for any problems I might encounter.

Has anyone addressed this question?


I've never heard it addressed, and would be anxious to hear anyone's opinion on the matter.

 

[loik]

Quote from Ghost of Cutten:

We've already told you - they produce sensory pleasure. A bit of basic observation should tell you that large numbers of people enjoy sensory pleasure. You don't have to *need* something to want it. I don't need to be a better trader or to add a zero to my net worth, or to have sex a lot, but I want all those things.

So what`s the problem with drugs?