There's something wrong with human nature.

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Doctors clinically treat illness, self medication is as ridiculous as someone defending themselves in a court of law...
Saw this movie a few weeks ago...is it ridiculous?
 
Yes, it is ridiculous to defend yourself in a court of law...

Next time you need surgery, get out the butter knife and do it yourself...



Quote from loik:

Saw this movie a few weeks ago...is it ridiculous?
 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Doctors clinically treat illness, self medication is as ridiculous as someone defending themselves in a court of law...

you do not self- medicate with any over the counter medication?
 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Yes, it is ridiculous to defend yourself in a court of law...

Next time you need surgery, get out the butter knife and do it yourself...
We`re discussing pain relief.
 
Quote from Ghost of Cutten:

But legalisation would not impose one set of laws for one set of people, and another for another. It would impose identical law on everyone - if you take drugs and don't harm anyone then you don't go to jail. Exactly like the law on alcohol. Which is not unconstitutional.
You know, it has been well established that words and sentences only mean something within some context, and without that context generating a discourse will only lead to confusion. To simply quote a fraction of what I said only generates inaccuracies. To not read the context of what I was responding to and act only on the words is impulsive. Hold your horses man!

In regards to the comment you make, I have no problem with other people doing drugs as long as its harms to others is minimal. I have said something to this effect already in this thread.
 
Quote from loik:

What do you wanna provide for the 3 400 000 000 women on the planet?
I should have been more accurate. I meant marry to the effect that they seek. They marry men so they can emigrate and escape misery. If I could, I would marry them without any commitment or sacrifice on their part. Only for the outcome of increasing someone's happiness without the shame. All I would ask is that I be set free with no commitment afterward, if only to be able to help the next person.

So no, only those that are so desperate by the enslavement of their own government, and only to provide an exit from the bad luck of their situation simply by where they were born.
 
Quote from Ghost of Cutten:
What about a woman who likes prostitution and enters it of her own free will?
I would have no problem with a woman that genuinely chooses prostitution as her career choice. You misunderstand my objection. I do not mean to judge, only to help. So if someone does not think they are in this need, I am content in stepping aside. I would wager that if a woman was visited by two men, one would offer to marry her and expect her to be his wife, the other would offer to marry her, bring her to America, help her get a job and a place to live, and then would expect to be released from the marriage with no responsibility on my part, well we can theorize which choice she would make, but the point is that if she made the real wife choice, at least those of us who watch this can say, she made the choice from her heart.

Why should she be turned into a criminal because, in a rather patronising sexist way, you think all women are damsels in distress and incapable of making their own decisions? Do you want to "rescue" male gigolos too?
Not at all. See above. In fact, I want to remove the sex from the equation of barter. If I were truly sexist, I would want to persist it.

As for "mail order brides", are you suggesting that marrying across national boundaries or cultures should be illegal? Or that marrying for money, or reasons other than "true love" should be criminalised?
Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about. How you reached this conclusion, from what I posted, does not follow.

Bear in mind that the "thousand year wisdom" of the law allowed slavery, segregation, and outlawed homosexuality, religious freedom and divorce for most of human history, along with witch trials, paedophilia, torture, trial by combat etc. It succeeded in normalizing that for most of the world's societies at the time. Most civilised people today view that for what it was - irrational and violent oppression of people who were doing nothing wrong. Drug usage and consenting adult sexual relations are treated the same and outlawed today purely because they go against bourgeois social norms too. See a pattern here?
See above. I do not wish to remove choice, only expand it. If theoretically Paris Hilton would want to become a prostitute or exchange sexual favors for money, I would be content in knowing that was a choice made from desire, not need. I would therefore have zero desire to enlist my help in that circumstance (although I would think she had gone off the deep end.)

Something is not right or wrong because "that's how it's always been done", otherwise there would be no such thing as progress and everything legal in the past would be acceptable to us today, instead of horrifying. An individual's life is not there for your benefit, or for you to violently force into social and cultural norms that you personally find gratifying. Every society and culture that has ever existed has norms and values that other societies and cultures would find horrifying and evil, therefore social and cultural values cannot have any legitimacy in making moral decisions. Effectively, you are trying to make it a crime for people to live life in a way that you find abnormal, rather than for actually doing something morally wrong and harmful.
Again, I think you are assuming something that is not there. Perhaps the above comments will clarify my position.
 
Over the counter drugs have been cleared by doctors and the FDA, and warn people to follow directions (not self directed).

Quote from killthesunshine:

you do not self- medicate with any over the counter medication?
 
Drug addicts and alcoholics also discuss pain relief...

The pain of daily living that they can't cope with, so they self medicate...often illegally. Some really whacked out drug addicts even think they know more than doctors about how to treat their symptoms...



Quote from loik:

We`re discussing pain relief.
 
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