There is no heaven no hell

[DemZad]

Quote from shortie:

being married takes the pressure off (so to speak)

Provides release for those...inner demons.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:

Regarding heaven or hell... Jesus spoke

we dont know if or what jesus ever said. jesus,if he existed, never wrote anything down and the earliest fragments of copies of the nt bible that we have are 150 years after the fact.

Sometimes Christian apologists say there are only three options to who Jesus was: a liar, a lunatic or the Lord. But there is a fourth option: legend. (Bart Ehrman American New Testament scholar)

 

[shortie]

Quote from jem:

... or who turned the Temple into a place of commerce.

church = business

this explains why churches are hit by lightning all the time.

p.s. I have to stop here. That's enough blasphemy for one day.

--Shortie Zeus out

 

[jem]

Quote from Free Thinker:

we dont know if or what jesus ever said. jesus,if he existed, never wrote anything down and the earliest fragments of copies of the nt bible that we have are 150 years after the fact.

Sometimes Christian apologists say there are only three options to who Jesus was: a liar, a lunatic or the Lord. But there is a fourth option: legend. (Bart Ehrman American New Testament scholar)

Ok, I know the dates are disputed, but let me state Jesus' teachings as recorded in the bible.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:

Ok, I know the dates are disputed, but let me state Jesus' teachings as recorded in the bible.

i recommend this book for you:

Forged - Writing in the Name of God--Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are
Book Cover Description -- “We may never know what drove these people . . .to hide their own identity and to claim, deceitfully, that they were someone else. Their readers, had they known, would probably have called them liars and condemned what they did. But in their own eyes, their conscience may have been free from blame, and their motives may have been as pure as the driven snow. They had a truth to convey, and they were happy to lie in order to proclaim it.”—from Forged

It is often said, even by critical scholars who should know better, that “writing in the name of another” was widely accepted in antiquity. But New York Times bestselling author Bart D. Ehrman dares to call it what it was: literary forgery, a practice that was as scandalous then as it is today. In Forged, Ehrman’s fresh and original research takes readers back to the ancient world, where forgeries were used as weapons by unknown authors to fend off attacks to their faith and establish their church. So, if many of the books in the Bible were not in fact written by Jesus’s inner circle—but by writers living decades later, with differing agendas in rival communities—what does that do to the authority of Scripture?

Ehrman investigates ancient sources to:

• Reveal which New Testament books were outright forgeries.
• Explain how widely forgery was practiced by early Christian writers—and how strongly it was
condemned in the ancient world as fraudulent and illicit.
• Expose the deception in the history of the Christian religion.

Ehrman’s fascinating story of fraud and deceit is essential reading for anyone interested in the truth about the Bible and the dubious origins of Christianity’s sacred texts.


http://www.bartdehrman.com/

http://www.amazon.com/Forged-Writin...iewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

 

[jem]

Quote from Free Thinker:

i recommend this book for you:

Forged - Writing in the Name of God--Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are
Book Cover Description -- “We may never know what drove these people . . .to hide their own identity and to claim, deceitfully, that they were someone else. Their readers, had they known, would probably have called them liars and condemned what they did. But in their own eyes, their conscience may have been free from blame, and their motives may have been as pure as the driven snow. They had a truth to convey, and they were happy to lie in order to proclaim it.”—from Forged

It is often said, even by critical scholars who should know better, that “writing in the name of another” was widely accepted in antiquity. But New York Times bestselling author Bart D. Ehrman dares to call it what it was: literary forgery, a practice that was as scandalous then as it is today. In Forged, Ehrman’s fresh and original research takes readers back to the ancient world, where forgeries were used as weapons by unknown authors to fend off attacks to their faith and establish their church. So, if many of the books in the Bible were not in fact written by Jesus’s inner circle—but by writers living decades later, with differing agendas in rival communities—what does that do to the authority of Scripture?

Ehrman investigates ancient sources to:

• Reveal which New Testament books were outright forgeries.
• Explain how widely forgery was practiced by early Christian writers—and how strongly it was
condemned in the ancient world as fraudulent and illicit.
• Expose the deception in the history of the Christian religion.

Ehrman’s fascinating story of fraud and deceit is essential reading for anyone interested in the truth about the Bible and the dubious origins of Christianity’s sacred texts.


http://www.bartdehrman.com/

http://www.amazon.com/Forged-Writin...iewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

Nothing new about the idea that the books in the bible may have been written by somebody else.

I took a bible as lit class in 10th grade, in public school.. We went over the Q source... and when reviewing the new testament we discussed that matthew mark and luke were probably from the same original source --- likely oral before it was recorded. So the idea that this was done by individuals committing forgery is a bit of a stretch.

 

[SnakeEYE]

Quote from Hombre:

Heaven or hell is just your mind taking inventory(clear or not so clear consciousness) when it is your time to die.
Gods or demons are for feeble minds not able to stand on their own.

What is the ultimate goal behind standing on your own?

 

[SnakeEYE]

Quote from pspr:

Good luck on your gamble.

Gambling is being between black and white,good and bad,god and devil,friend and enemy...Not worth the time,i`m free of that.

 

[pspr]

Quote from SnakeEYE:

Gambling is being between black and white,good and bad,god and devil,friend and enemy...Not worth the time,i`m free of that.

You are gambling that you are correct and you don't have to concern yourself with being good or being bad or having failth because you will not go to either heaven or hell. Now, that's a gamble.

 

[SnakeEYE]

Quote from pspr:

You are gambling that you are correct and you don't have to concern yourself with being good or being bad or having failth because you will not go to either heaven or hell. Now, that's a gamble.

Maybe i`m gambling,but..How do you know that 'good' IS the good and 'bad' IS the bad.?Why can`t it be otherwise?This is the never ending story and its elements replace each other all your life,and all your life you keep staying in doubt,and will.I won`t believe that the very holiest person on the Earth belives without a doubt.Even Jesus,if he ever exists,is said,had doubts.

I do not deny the existent religions,i just want to be free,staying neutral first and then above of it.