Theologians Think They’re Smarter Than Stephen Hawking

Quote from Ricter:

These two processes are not mutually exclusive.

so we now agree. no more "scientific" pronouncements about man made co2 causing warming.
 
Quote from jem:

they may or may not be... which is why I am not making any ridiculous scientific pronouncements... yet you all on the left do.
Nothing ridiculous about it. You yourself could measure the CO2 coming out of tailpipes and smokestacks--if you found any, any at all, you'd know that Man is now producing CO2 from fossil fuels, a previously untapped source. Then you could calculate the growth of such emissions over time--then you'd know Man is releasing more CO2 than he did before. Then you could look for Man's signature on the CO2 molecules in the atmosphere and confirm that his CO2 emissions make it "up there". Then you could conclude that Man is making the "glass" thicker, despite, or rather in addition to, the other, ancient forces which also, cyclically, do as well.
 
Quote from Ricter:

Nothing ridiculous about it. You yourself could measure the CO2 coming out of tailpipes and smokestacks--if you found any, any at all, you'd know that Man is now producing CO2 from fossil fuels, a previously untapped source. Then you could calculate the growth of such emissions over time--then you'd know Man is releasing more CO2 than he did before. Then you could look for Man's signature on the CO2 molecules in the atmosphere and confirm that his CO2 emissions make it "up there". Then you could conclude that Man is making the "glass" thicker, despite, or rather in addition to, the other, ancient forces which also, cyclically, do as well.

shittttt... you are not getting it.

please read what I wrote.

yes man is creating excess CO2.... but so is the earth --
only some of the excess gets mixed into the glass.
so why would it matter if the additional glass is made of man made or earth made co2 or both. It might still have been that thick anyway.
 
Quote from jem:

your point is almost irrelevant to this discussion.
Do you not get what the historical records show.

When temperature goes up the glass gets thicker.
When temperature goes down the glass gets thinner.


So how the hell you claim man is making the glass thicker. you probably can't ever prove that... because both man and the earth naturally release CO2 and only some the release gets mixed into the thicker glass.
 
Quote from jem:
So how the hell you claim man is making the glass thicker. you probably can't ever prove that...
Man is not making the glass thicker, but...


because both man and the earth naturally release CO2 and only some [of] the release gets mixed into the thicker glass.
Man is making the glass thicker.
 
Quote from Ricter:

Man is not making the glass thicker, but...


Man is making the glass thicker.

based on historical records it looks like the glass gets thicker as a function of temperature... not the amount of CO2 released.

how many times can I say... not all the co2 released gets mixed into the glass...
 
Quote from jem:

based on historical records it looks like the glass gets thicker as a function of temperature... not the amount of CO2 released.

how many times can I say... not all the co2 released gets mixed into the glass...
The alarmists just don't want to hear it.
 
Quote from jem:

based on historical records it looks like the glass gets thicker as a function of temperature... not the amount of CO2 released.
The "glass gets thicker" IS the increasing CO2, caused by solar and orbital cycles.

how many times can I say... not all the co2 released gets mixed into the glass...
Doesn't need to be "all" to have an effect.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
(Check the chart, your favorite chart, again. CO2 over the long haul tops out around 290-300 ppm. Where is it today? What's the trend?)

But before the industrial revolution, that CO2 release came from ordinary carbon sinks, the oceans and vegetation being two. Man is now releasing/creating CO2 from deep, previously unaffected sinks, oil, gas, coal.
 
Quote from Ricter:

The "glass gets thicker" IS the increasing CO2, caused by solar and orbital cycles.

Doesn't need to be "all" to have an effect.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
(Check the chart, your favorite chart, again. CO2 over the long haul tops out around 290-300 ppm. Where is it today? What's the trend?)

But before the industrial revolution, that CO2 release came from ordinary carbon sinks, the oceans and vegetation being two. Man is now releasing/creating CO2 from deep, previously unaffected sinks, oil, gas, coal.

That is what I have been telling you. There is no evidence co2 is causing the warming... but we see in the ice core evidence is that warming precedes the accumulation of CO2. and cooling precedes the CO2 dissipation.

Man made co2 may have nothing to do with the cause of the accumulation or dissipation. (other than the fact it is is accumulated.)


For instance I had a pool which vented out the overflow... did I care if the water came from the sky or my well?
 
Quote from jem:

apparently Harvard's law review changed its policy from merit to affirmative action just in time for Obama.

so far I see nothing about Obama getting good grades.
We have strong indication he had poor grades in college.
Why did brass say Obama graduated magna?

Now, don't get me wrong.
I have watched him interviewed and give speeches. He is a smart man in my opinion... no doubt... but lets not pretend he was a scholar if he did not perform like a scholar.

Jem, you should stop this nonsense now. I does not reflect well on your own intelligence.

It is well known that Barack Obama had a superior education from his early childhood on. Of all the U.S. Presidents so far, Obama is not only one of the best educated, but he also has one of the most extensive records as a scholar. He graduated from Columbia University in political science, and from the Harvard Law School magna cum laude, which is impossible if your grades are not outstanding.

He was first an editor at the Harvard Law Review, and later elected to head the Review.

He was a lecturer in Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago for twelve years.

Please do not clutter these forums with any more crap.
 
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