The Wedge Strategy For A Return to the Dark Ages

Quote from 2cents:

john - i have to agree with teleo that his posts combined with those of zizzz & jampy didn't even begin to create the illusion of an intelligent design...

not that i was expecting any...

These "gentlemen" aren't interested in an intelligent discussion about any substantive issue, and I don't have time for silly games intended to bait me into rearguing the same points over and over.

If I read an opposing argument supported by credible evidence, I may rejoin the discussion. But, at the moment, it's all the same recycled noise, over and over.
 
Quote from Teleologist:

John Dough wrote:


You're an idiot. If you are going to claim someone is posting under multiple screen names the burden of proof is on you. For all I know, you and 2cents and TraderNik are all the same person. Let's see you prove that's not the case.

It doesn't surprise me that this is the conclusion you came to after examining our respective posts. It speaks to your lack of critical thinking, which of course is a prerequisite to belief in ghosts and goblins.
 
my xmas gift to the "discovery institute" / ID fedayeens
Quote from 2cents:

what a bunch of monkeys...:

"GOALS
Governing Goals
. To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.
. To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and hurnan beings are created by God. "

yeah right :p :p :p


http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html

THE WEDGE STRATEGY
CENTER FOR THE RENEWAL OF SCIENCE & CULTURE
INTRODUCTION

The proposition that human beings are created in the image of God is one of the bedrock principles on which Western civilization was built. Its influence can be detected in most, if not all, of the West's greatest achievements, including representative democracy, human rights, free enterprise, and progress in the arts and sciences.

Yet a little over a century ago, this cardinal idea came under wholesale attack by intellectuals drawing on the discoveries of modern science. Debunking the traditional conceptions of both God and man, thinkers such as Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, and Sigmund Freud portrayed humans not as moral and spiritual beings, but as animals or machines who inhabited a universe ruled by purely impersonal forces and whose behavior and very thoughts were dictated by the unbending forces of biology, chemistry, and environment. This materialistic conception of reality eventually infected virtually every area of our culture, from politics and economics to literature and art

The cultural consequences of this triumph of materialism were devastating. Materialists denied the existence of objective moral standards, claiming that environment dictates our behavior and beliefs. Such moral relativism was uncritically adopted by much of the social sciences, and it still undergirds much of modern economics, political science, psychology and sociology.

Materialists also undermined personal responsibility by asserting that human thoughts and behaviors are dictated by our biology and environment. The results can be seen in modern approaches to criminal justice, product liability, and welfare. In the materialist scheme of things, everyone is a victim and no one can be held accountable for his or her actions.

Finally, materialism spawned a virulent strain of utopianism. Thinking they could engineer the perfect society through the application of scientific knowledge, materialist reformers advocated coercive government programs that falsely promised to create heaven on earth.

Discovery Institute's Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture seeks nothing less than the overthrow of materialism and its cultural legacies. Bringing together leading scholars from the natural sciences and those from the humanities and social sciences, the Center explores how new developments in biology, physics and cognitive science raise serious doubts about scientific materialism and have re-opened the case for a broadly theistic understanding of nature. The Center awards fellowships for original research, holds conferences, and briefs policymakers about the opportunities for life after materialism.

The Center is directed by Discovery Senior Fellow Dr. Stephen Meyer. An Associate Professor of Philosophy at Whitworth College, Dr. Meyer holds a Ph.D. in the History and Philosophy of Science from Cambridge University. He formerly worked as a geophysicist for the Atlantic Richfield Company.

THE WEDGE STRATEGY
Phase I.

Scientific Research, Writing & Publicity
Phase II.

Publicity & Opinion-making
Phase III.

Cultural Confrontation & Renewal
THE WEDGE PROJECTS
Phase I. Scientific Research, Writing & Publication

Individual Research Fellowship Program
Paleontology Research program (Dr. Paul Chien et al.)
Molecular Biology Research Program (Dr. Douglas Axe et al.)
Phase II. Publicity & Opinion-making

Book Publicity
Opinion-Maker Conferences
Apologetics Seminars
Teacher Training Program
Op-ed Fellow
PBS (or other TV) Co-production
Publicity Materials / Publications
Phase III. Cultural Confrontation & Renewal

Academic and Scientific Challenge Conferences
Potential Legal Action for Teacher Training
Research Fellowship Program: shift to social sciences and humanities
FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN SUMMARY
The social consequences of materialism have been devastating. As symptoms, those consequences are certainly worth treating. However, we are convinced that in order to defeat materialism, we must cut it off at its source. That source is scientific materialism. This is precisely our strategy. If we view the predominant materialistic science as a giant tree, our strategy is intended to function as a "wedge" that, while relatively small, can split the trunk when applied at its weakest points. The very beginning of this strategy, the "thin edge of the wedge," was Phillip ]ohnson's critique of Darwinism begun in 1991 in Darwinism on Trial, and continued in Reason in the Balance and Defeatng Darwinism by Opening Minds. Michael Behe's highly successful Darwin's Black Box followed Johnson's work. We are building on this momentum, broadening the wedge with a positive scientific alternative to materialistic scientific theories, which has come to be called the theory of intelligent design (ID). Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions.

The Wedge strategy can be divided into three distinct but interdependent phases, which are roughly but not strictly chronological. We believe that, with adequate support, we can accomplish many of the objectives of Phases I and II in the next five years (1999-2003), and begin Phase III (See "Goals/ Five Year Objectives/Activities").

Phase I: Research, Writing and Publication

Phase II: Publicity and Opinion-making

Phase III: Cultural Confrontation and Renewal

Phase I is the essential component of everything that comes afterward. Without solid scholarship, research and argument, the project would be just another attempt to indoctrinate instead of persuade. A lesson we have learned from the history of science is that it is unnecessary to outnumber the opposing establishment. Scientific revolutions are usually staged by an initially small and relatively young group of scientists who are not blinded by the prevailing prejudices and who are able to do creative work at the pressure points, that is, on those critical issues upon which whole systems of thought hinge. So, in Phase I we are supporting vital witting and research at the sites most likely to crack the materialist edifice.

Phase II. The pnmary purpose of Phase II is to prepare the popular reception of our ideas. The best and truest research can languish unread and unused unless it is properly publicized. For this reason we seek to cultivate and convince influential individuals in pnnt and broadcast media, as well as think tank leaders, scientists and academics, congressional staff, talk show hosts, college and seminary presidents and faculty, future talent and potential academic allies. Because of his long tenure in politics, journalism and public policy, Discovery President Bruce Chapman brings to the project rare knowledge and acquaintance of key op-ed writers, journalists, and political leaders. This combination of scientific and scholarly expertise and media and political connections makes the Wedge unique, and also prevents it from being "merely academic." Other activities include production of a PBS documentary on intelligent design and its implications, and popular op-ed publishing. Alongside a focus on influential opinion-makers, we also seek to build up a popular base of support among our natural constituency, namely, Chnstians. We will do this primarily through apologetics seminars. We intend these to encourage and equip believers with new scientific evidence's that support the faith, as well as to "popularize" our ideas in the broader culture.

Phase III. Once our research and writing have had time to mature, and the public prepared for the reception of design theory, we will move toward direct confrontation with the advocates of materialist science through challenge conferences in significant academic settings. We will also pursue possible legal assistance in response to resistance to the integration of design theory into public school science curricula. The attention, publicity, and influence of design theory should draw scientific materialists into open debate with design theorists, and we will be ready. With an added emphasis to the social sciences and humanities, we will begin to address the specific social consequences of materialism and the Darwinist theory that supports it in the sciences.

GOALS
Governing Goals

To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.
To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and hurnan beings are created by God.
Five Year Goals

To see intelligent design theory as an accepted alternative in the sciences and scientific research being done from the perspective of design theory.
To see the beginning of the influence of design theory in spheres other than natural science.
To see major new debates in education, life issues, legal and personal responsibility pushed to the front of the national agenda.
Twenty Year Goals

To see intelligent design theory as the dominant perspective in science.
To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its innuence in the fine arts.
To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.

... continued
 
I guess what bothers me about all of these discussions on the subject of ID is that the ID’ers are willing to trade their beliefs in God for that of space aliens just to try to get their beliefs assimilated into our daily lives. If you’re a religious person then proudly say so. Go to church/synagogue on Saturdays and Sundays. Wear your religious symbols and bask in your holidays. But as a single father who comes home from his second job late at night and goes through every sheet of his teenage daughters homework I ask you, ladies and gentlemen, please let my daughter be educated. It is hard enough for her as she prepares for college in which she isn’t just competing against her fellow classmates but her generation is competing on a global field. Let her learn fact not fiction; let her be the one to decide when and where to go for her spiritual needs. I will gladly take her to any church or synagogue of her choosing (well…maybe not the Jehovah Witness’s or Mormons) if she wishes. God has a place in people’s lives, but not in public education. Teach your children about God. Teach your children about space aliens, but leave the reading writing and arithmetic for the schools. Two plus two equals four, period. It’s not two plus two equals four because God (or space aliens) divined it
 
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I guess what bothers me about all of these discussions on the subject of ID is that the ID’ers are willing to trade their beliefs in God for that of space aliens just to try to get their beliefs assimilated into our daily lives. If you’re a religious person then proudly say so. Go to church/synagogue on Saturdays and Sundays. Wear your religious symbols and bask in your holidays. But as a single father who comes home from his second job late at night and goes through every sheet of his teenage daughters homework I ask you, ladies and gentlemen, please let my daughter be educated. It is hard enough for her as she prepares for college in which she isn’t just competing against her fellow classmates but her generation is competing on a global field. Let her learn fact not fiction; let her be the one to decide when and where to go for her spiritual needs. I will gladly take her to any church or synagogue of her choosing (well…maybe not the Jehovah Witness’s or Mormons) if she wishes. God has a place in people’s lives, but not in public education. Teach your children about God. Teach your children about space aliens, but leave the reading writing and arithmetic for the schools. Two plus two equals four, period. It’s not two plus two equals four because God (or space aliens) divined it

I am religious and i hold a graduate degree. I realize that I do not have proof of God.

I also realize that science does not have proof of no God.

I would not ask public schools to instill a belief in God or the absence of God, unless or until there is proof one way or another.

Right now there are scientists with real degrees, who do not believe in God, stating that the universe we live in looks designed.

What is wrong with teaching children that there is a debate about whether the universe is designed or random?
 
I'm pretty sure a person could scare up a few scientists to debate the "Rockwell incident" or a few who debated the validity of the crop circles back in the eighties. I'd sure hate to have either theory argued in high school. High school is a preparation for college. It has specific requirements that are fairly universal for acceptance into most higher education. Let them debate ID all they want in colleges where the kids can decide for themselves to attend such lectures or not. High school is entirely to important for a person’s future to be wasted on theories that really have no tangible debatable issues to begin with.
 
Quote from gblnking:

I guess what bothers me about all of these discussions on the subject of ID is that the ID’ers are willing to trade their beliefs in God for that of space aliens just to try to get their beliefs assimilated into our daily lives. If you’re a religious person then proudly say so. Go to church/synagogue on Saturdays and Sundays. Wear your religious symbols and bask in your holidays. But as a single father who comes home from his second job late at night and goes through every sheet of his teenage daughters homework I ask you, ladies and gentlemen, please let my daughter be educated. It is hard enough for her as she prepares for college in which she isn’t just competing against her fellow classmates but her generation is competing on a global field. Let her learn fact not fiction; let her be the one to decide when and where to go for her spiritual needs. I will gladly take her to any church or synagogue of her choosing (well…maybe not the Jehovah Witness’s or Mormons) if she wishes. God has a place in people’s lives, but not in public education. Teach your children about God. Teach your children about space aliens, but leave the reading writing and arithmetic for the schools. Two plus two equals four, period. It’s not two plus two equals four because God (or space aliens) divined it

Amen, brother. Amen.
 
so I guess if the chair of the physics dept of Stanford and one of the founders of string theory said that our universe looks designed you would not want to hear about that in your high school.

You would not want to consider the debate that the chances of our universe being randomly created are astronimically low, and that according to astrophysicists that pretty much means we must be part of an almost infinite amount of universes to come to the conclusions that we are not designed.
 
My ex-father-in-law was a man who followed people of the likes of Art Bell. He would buy the conspiracy magazines from the grocery check out lines and read them like they were the bible. We literally argued for hours about his belief that the moon landing was a government hoax just to fool the American public into believing that we were ahead of the Russians in science. He was a very charismatic man and would come up with these elaborate arguments and present a slew of “scientists and scientific evidence” to back him up. He very much believes that the world is controlled by a secret society and again he’ll back it up with plenty of theories and people to back up his arguments. Should these “theories” be debated in our public high schools? How about if along with math, English, history, and science we add the Devinci code as a core curriculum class.

These types of theories make for great literature and should be debated. But debate them in college where young minds have a bit more maturity (or at least we hope hey have) and can weed through the absolutely ridiculous to the more plausible alternative scientific idea’s. Leave high school for building foundations.
 
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