The Wall of Stupid

[Tony Stark]

https://gazette.com/news/sen-cory-g...cle_5cf5e73a-0fbe-11e9-8e6b-f36a6b476f8a.html


Republican Sen. Cory Gardner calls on Congress to end shutdown without border deal

• By: Ernest Luning
• Jan 4, 2019 Updated Jan 4, 2019

Colorado's Cory Gardner became the first Republican senator to break with President Donald Trump over border wall funding, saying Thursday Congress should end the 13-day-old partial government shutdown and work out differences over border security later.

"We should pass the bipartisan appropriations bills that includes money for border security while we continue to fight for more border security money," Gardner said in a statement. "Congress needs to take further action on border security, but that work should be done when the government is fully open.”


Gardner was the first Republican senator to call for reopening the government without a deal on the border wall, which Democrats have rejected as ineffective and too expensive. Later Thursday, U.S. Sen. Susan Collins of Maine said she sees "no reason why the bills that are ready to go and on which we've achieved an agreement should be held hostage to this debate over border security."

 

[Tony Stark]

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday...-should-vote-on-funding-bills-passed-in-house

Republican Sen. Susan Collins: Senate should vote on funding bills passed in House
By [URL='https://thehill.com/author/brett-samuels']Brett Samuels - 01/06/19 11:31 AM EST[/URL]

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said Sunday that she would support holding a Senate vote on bills passed in the House to reopen parts of the government unrelated to negotiations over funding for President Trump's wall along the southern border.

 

[Cuddles]

http://www.ct4adream.org/

https://law.yale.edu/studying-law-y...dvocacy-clinic/connecticut-students-dream-c4d



https://ctmirror.org/2019/01/07/tra...rder-wall-appears-unpopular-way-end-shutdown/

Camila Bortoleto, 30, who, with her twin sister Carolina, founded CT Students for a Dream, said she would not support trading protections for young immigrants for a border wall.


“We would not want to trade our lives for the lives of other immigrants,” Bortoletto said. “It’s not a real payoff.”

I'm glad you found the spokesperson for a million kids.

So give republicans their biggest immigration wish while the super majority of the undocumented population would still be fucked? I don't agree and would not make that deal.A Dem president can use another EO for dreamers and order ice to lay off of them as Obama did.

No, unlike you, I'm unwilling to use kids that through no fault of their own found themselves in this situation and have excelled at being decent folk only to be used as sacrificial lambs just so the rest can bank on their success. You want to make a hard sell impossible.

Blame evil racist republicans for that,not democrats who don't want to to trade steak for crumbs.If we give them a wall for daca we don't have much to negotiate with when it comes to the rest of the undocumented population which is bigger than the dreamer population.

These democrats were ready to give 25 billion for less just a year ago, don't make it sound like they're having a come to jesus moment trying to save everyone. You're also ignorant of the budget used in border enforcement. Obama blew way more than 5 billion on it trying to compromise with Republicans and cracking down on immigration. He was a much more compassionate person on immigrants, but also way more effective at removing them. Point blank you're letting the hate for the symbolism of the wall cloud your judgment on what's been done in the past in terms of spending.

The reality is DreamAct will cost way more than 5 billion to get passed w/o leverage 2 or 3 years from now, and you're risking the program being struck down and putting all these people out of a job on the off chance the next president re-institutes it.

In a way, you remind me of BernieBros that voted Trump because they were banking on him destroying the system and him being so hated that he'd never appoint 1 supreme court, let alone 2 supreme court justices because the Dems. would "obstruct" and then take the senate in 2018.

 

[Tony Stark]

In a way, you remind me of BernieBros that voted Trump because they were banking on him destroying the system and him being so hated that he'd never appoint 1 supreme court, let alone 2 supreme court justices because the Dems. would "obstruct" and then take the senate in 2018.

You're obviously becoming delusional as this conversation progresses.

 

[Tony Stark]

I'm glad you found the spokesperson for a million kids.

https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/mid...lit-congress-trading-border-wall-daca-amnesty

Mid-Term Voters Oppose Split Congress Trading Border Wall for DACA Amnesty


Wed, Nov 7th 2018 @ 9:59 pm EST by Roy Beck

We commissioned a survey of people who voted in 'Toss Up Districts' in yesterday's midterm election. These voters answered they are willing to compromise on immigration, but not with a DACA-for-wall deal.



Here's the scary scenario:

Because Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats will control the House next year, and Donald Trump and Republicans will control the rest of the federal government, many people are speculating that the most logical immigration action would be the two sides trading a DACA amnesty for wall funding.

Sen. Graham (R-S.C.) who is likely to be the next chairman of the Judiciary Committee has been pushing the idea.

We at NumbersUSA think that would be an horrific deal for American workers and communities.

Fortunately, our polling of voters in "Toss Up" Districts last night and this morning found they apparently think the way we do on that compromise. (We commissioned the poll of 2,000 voters in 31 "Toss Up" congressional Districts that had been identified by Real Clear Politics last Friday as being the most competitive. These are the Districts -- and voters -- that largely determined who will control the House next year.)

In yesterday's election, voters in those Districts decided to replace a couple of Democrats with Republicans, replace a number of Republicans with Democrats, and keep other Republicans in place after hard-fought contests. (Read my first analysis of the results that I wrote at 4:30 this morning.)

But regardless of party, most were agreed on their dislike for the DACA-for-wall deal.

Here was the question we posed to those voters about the compromise that is being discussed:

QUESTION: Do you support another compromise being considered that would legalize certain young-adult illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children and would greatly increase walls and fencing on the Mexico border, but would keep total immigration at one million a year while continuing extended family migration and allowing employers to hire without checking legal status with E-Verify?


20% Yes to DACA-for-wall deal

58% No to DACA-for-wall deal


Republicans didn't want a wall that badly (20% YES vs. 64% NO).


Democrats didn't want a DACA amnesty that badly (25% vs. 47%).


Hispanic voters didn't like it (29% to 48%), and Independents liked the compromise even less (13% vs. 66%).

 

[Tony Stark]

These democrats were ready to give 25 billion for less just a year ago, don't make it sound like they're having a come to jesus moment trying to save everyone. You're also ignorant of the budget used in border enforcement. Obama blew way more than 5 billion on it trying to compromise with Republicans and cracking down on immigration. He was a much more compassionate person on immigrants, but also way more effective at removing them. Point blank you're letting the hate for the symbolism of the wall cloud your judgment on what's been done in the past in terms of spending.

The reality is DreamAct will cost way more than 5 billion to get passed w/o leverage 2 or 3 years from now, and you're risking the program being struck down and putting all these people out of a job on the off chance the next president re-institutes it.

You're ignorant of the fact that this is not about money.Most Dems including myself would gladly give 5- 25 billion for DACA,but not for a wall.

 

[Tony Stark]

58% No to DACA-for-wall deal

Republicans didn't want a wall that badly (20% YES vs. 64% NO).

Democrats didn't want a DACA amnesty that badly (25% vs. 47%).

Hispanic voters didn't like it (29% to 48%), and Independents liked the compromise even less (13% vs. 66%).

Chuck and Nancy are well aware of this.Only a sucker would support such

https://wcbs880.radio.com/articles/...ng-large-hardship-ny-dismisses-wall-daca-deal

Schumer Says Shutdown Will 'Get Worse And Worse,' Dismisses Wall-For-DACA Deal
January 06, 2019 - 1:29 pm

NEW YORK (WCBS 880) – Sen. Chuck Schumer says President Donald Trump is refusing to budge from his border wall demands as the government shutdown enters week three, and he said Democrats wouldn't consider a DACA-for-wall deal with the president to end the shutdown.

Putting to rest speculation, Schumer said Democrats would not consider giving Trump money for the wall if the president supported a plan legalizing undocumented immigrants currently protected under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) policy.

 

[Cuddles]

https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/mid...lit-congress-trading-border-wall-daca-amnesty

Mid-Term Voters Oppose Split Congress Trading Border Wall for DACA Amnesty


Wed, Nov 7th 2018 @ 9:59 pm EST by Roy Beck

We commissioned a survey of people who voted in 'Toss Up Districts' in yesterday's midterm election. These voters answered they are willing to compromise on immigration, but not with a DACA-for-wall deal.



Here's the scary scenario:

Because Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats will control the House next year, and Donald Trump and Republicans will control the rest of the federal government, many people are speculating that the most logical immigration action would be the two sides trading a DACA amnesty for wall funding.

Sen. Graham (R-S.C.) who is likely to be the next chairman of the Judiciary Committee has been pushing the idea.

We at NumbersUSA think that would be an horrific deal for American workers and communities.

Fortunately, our polling of voters in "Toss Up" Districts last night and this morning found they apparently think the way we do on that compromise. (We commissioned the poll of 2,000 voters in 31 "Toss Up" congressional Districts that had been identified by Real Clear Politics last Friday as being the most competitive. These are the Districts -- and voters -- that largely determined who will control the House next year.)

In yesterday's election, voters in those Districts decided to replace a couple of Democrats with Republicans, replace a number of Republicans with Democrats, and keep other Republicans in place after hard-fought contests. (Read my first analysis of the results that I wrote at 4:30 this morning.)

But regardless of party, most were agreed on their dislike for the DACA-for-wall deal.

Here was the question we posed to those voters about the compromise that is being discussed:

QUESTION: Do you support another compromise being considered that would legalize certain young-adult illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children and would greatly increase walls and fencing on the Mexico border, but would keep total immigration at one million a year while continuing extended family migration and allowing employers to hire without checking legal status with E-Verify?


20% Yes to DACA-for-wall deal

58% No to DACA-for-wall deal


Republicans didn't want a wall that badly (20% YES vs. 64% NO).


Democrats didn't want a DACA amnesty that badly (25% vs. 47%).


Hispanic voters didn't like it (29% to 48%), and Independents liked the compromise even less (13% vs. 66%).

you're quoting NumbersUSA in an immigration debate and I'm the one who's delusional? Did you even read that doozy of a question?

Chuck and Nancy are well aware of this.Only a sucker would support such

https://wcbs880.radio.com/articles/...ng-large-hardship-ny-dismisses-wall-daca-deal

Schumer Says Shutdown Will 'Get Worse And Worse,' Dismisses Wall-For-DACA Deal
January 06, 2019 - 1:29 pm

NEW YORK (WCBS 880) – Sen. Chuck Schumer says President Donald Trump is refusing to budge from his border wall demands as the government shutdown enters week three, and he said Democrats wouldn't consider a DACA-for-wall deal with the president to end the shutdown.

Putting to rest speculation, Schumer said Democrats would not consider giving Trump money for the wall if the president supported a plan legalizing undocumented immigrants currently protected under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) policy.

I've addressed this before, the Dems can't afford to be branded as pitting dreamers vs citizens by outright suggesting it.

 

[Tony Stark]

you're quoting NumbersUSA in an immigration debate and I'm the one who's delusional? Did you even read that doozy of a question?

Please cite support for your sell out the majority of undocumented immigrants plan.

 

[Cuddles]

Please cite support for your sell out the majority of undocumented immigrants plan.

I don't have a poll for a ridiculous specific question, but if I did and it came from such piss poor source as NumbersUSA, I wouldn't post it.

Good luck with your clean CIR & no border enforcement goals of 2019 and beyond