The US started as the Wild West

[nutmeg]

Trendlover,

The overall content of your posts leads me (mnnn who knows, maybe many of us) to think you have delusions of being Mother Teresa. I'm sure there is a spot in heaven for ya, but if you are black and work with "urban" youths, you'll be beaten shot or dead later than sooner. If you're white, you'll be beat shot or dead sooner than later helping the less fortunate.

The allies you're trying to round up with your way of thinking amounts to the powers that be, just throwing money at the problem.

The people on the ground, inevitably cut their losses short. The police, schools with dedicated teachers, neighborhood leaders, sooner or later all give up or the situation ends (sigh) in violence.

Don't take my word for it though and keep up with the righteous posts. Booyah!.....{:>)

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from nutmeg:

Trendlover,

The overall content of your posts leads me (mnnn who knows, maybe many of us) to think you have delusions of being Mother Teresa. I'm sure there is a spot in heaven for ya, but if you are black and work with "urban" youths, you'll be beaten shot or dead later than sooner. If you're white, you'll be beat shot or dead sooner than later helping the less fortunate.

The allies you're trying to round up with your way of thinking amounts to the powers that be, just throwing money at the problem.

The people on the ground, inevitably cut their losses short. The police, schools with dedicated teachers, neighborhood leaders, sooner or later all give up or the situation ends (sigh) in violence.

Don't take my word for it though and keep up with the righteous posts. Booyah!.....{:>)

There's righteous and then there's stupid bigotry: guess where I place trend?

 

[ktm]

Quote from Redneck:

Back in the day – people took responsibility and accountability… they knew right from wrong… they knew how to regulate themselves… how to conduct themselves… they respected another’s life – for the most part

Fast forward to today – people have evolved (think decayed) to where they can’t regulate themselves or their actions… can’t think for themselves… know shit about right or wrong… and give a shit about another's life or liberties

RN

I blame all of us...collectively. We have allowed it to happen.

When I was growing up in the 70's/80's and we had eight football teams, the top team got a big trophy and the second place team got a little trophy or a certificate. You know everyone else got? We got to go to the ceremony and WATCH them get their prizes. At some point, WE (parents) got a lil disenfranchised that the 5th place kids were crying and we started buying everyone a trophy.

That was a mistake that now needs to be corrected...or the shootings will continue.

Everyone needs to fail, to learn what failing feels like and to absorb that condition and learn to accept it as part of all of our lives. Kids need to be told that if they want a trophy next season, that they need to work harder. First place doesn't mean anything if the 5th place kids get the same prize. There's no incentive to work hard or even acknowledge where you stand in any aspect of your life.

The result is that these kids - that have always been told how great they are - go out into the real world and figure out quickly that they kinda suck. Having never dealt with any kind of failure, they don't know how to deal with any of it and they feel like their life is spiraling downward with no one to give them their 5th place trophy - which is now a well paying job in the real world. The answer, grab some guns and go show everyone who's boss for 15 minutes.

Stop giving everyone a trophy and return the country to accountability. Some of the most successful people in the world are those that were allowed (or forced) to fail early, often and catastrophically.

 

[trendlover]

Quote from nutmeg:

We all have the potential for violence. Imo, black people are an angry bunch. Anger is a motivating emotion. Anger with no direction or hope of being resolved leads to violence.

Did you read the comments of jamie Fox? The guy has it made yet he is still angry he has to act "white" 8 hours a day. This is a personal problem.

Why are black people so angry?

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Nutmeg my post is about boys 6, 7, 8... grade. Sometimes they are loud in school, white or black, or white latino, or black latino. They are boys and they try to fight sometimes.
And the teachers stop them from fighting or to be loud, and they get detention or something. Ok, they stop them, and teach them to not fight like that. So if the teachers now have guns, if that teacher thinking is (ALL) latino and black boys are violent just because they are latino or black, then that teacher is more likely to use the gun on them, but when before they only have to stop the fight with no gun. Then they can say stand their ground.

For your other post to me, no I am not black. No, I am not thinking I am mother Teresa, and no I am not thinking of going to heaven.
What I am thinking of is bias and racism when (some) people have guns.
You ask why black people so angry. What I see is (some) black people are criminal and some are angry, but not all black. Maybe you only see the ghetto in your eyes, and you do not know any latino or black people that go to school, they work hard, they not trying to hurt people, and they love their family.

 

[kmgilroy89]

Quote from Redneck:

Telling is the fact you ignored the part I wrote about being responsible (the mother’s responsibility as a parent… and as a gun owner)

Supporting this is your statement about the 2nd amendment not applying to the 21st century


I agree;

Back in the day – people took responsibility and accountability… they knew right from wrong… they knew how to regulate themselves… how to conduct themselves… they respected another’s life – for the most part


Fast forward to today – people have evolved (think decayed) to where they can’t regulate themselves or their actions… can’t think for themselves… know shit about right or wrong… and give a shit about another's life or liberties

So run do they to the government’s teat – suckling in hopes of being fed all shit they lack internally – and befitting any decent human being

Count me out


RN

You said that the 2nd Amendment is fine the way it was written. It is not applicable today. Read it:

Second Amendment – Militia (United States), Sovereign state, Right to keep and bear arms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Like I said, the last thing we need are a bunch of extremists organizing a militia.

 

[nutmeg]

So if the teachers now have guns, if that teacher thinking is (ALL) latino and black boys are violent just because they are latino or black, then that teacher is more likely to use the gun on them.

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What then if you are a black or latino teacher and all your students are black or latino. Should the black and latino teacher carry a gun? There should be no prejuidice in an all black school.

Is it more likely a black teacher in an all black school would be less inclined to shoot anyone?

 

[Redneck]

Quote from ktm:

I blame all of us...collectively. We have allowed it to happen.

When I was growing up in the 70's/80's and we had eight football teams, the top team got a big trophy and the second place team got a little trophy or a certificate. You know everyone else got? We got to go to the ceremony and WATCH them get their prizes. At some point, WE (parents) got a lil disenfranchised that the 5th place kids were crying and we started buying everyone a trophy.

That was a mistake that now needs to be corrected...or the shootings will continue.

Everyone needs to fail, to learn what failing feels like and to absorb that condition and learn to accept it as part of all of our lives. Kids need to be told that if they want a trophy next season, that they need to work harder. First place doesn't mean anything if the 5th place kids get the same prize. There's no incentive to work hard or even acknowledge where you stand in any aspect of your life.

The result is that these kids - that have always been told how great they are - go out into the real world and figure out quickly that they kinda suck. Having never dealt with any kind of failure, they don't know how to deal with any of it and they feel like their life is spiraling downward with no one to give them their 5th place trophy - which is now a well paying job in the real world. The answer, grab some guns and go show everyone who's boss for 15 minutes.

Stop giving everyone a trophy and return the country to accountability. Some of the most successful people in the world are those that were allowed (or forced) to fail early, often and catastrophically.

And no amount of legislation is going to make a person accountable


RN

 

[nutmeg]

This whole discussion is retodded. We took paddles out of the school because corporal punishment is unlawful, now we advocate arming teachers with guns. Wtf? Sumbody has a screw loose.

 

[nutmeg]

Quote from ktm:

the top team got a big trophy and the second place team got a little trophy or a certificate. You know everyone else got? We got to go to the ceremony and WATCH them get their prizes

Sorry, your antiquated ideal of americana ended the first time a player spit on a referee.

 

[Redneck]

Quote from kmgilroy89:

You said that the 2nd Amendment is fine the way it was written. It is not applicable today. Read it:

Second Amendment – Militia (United States), Sovereign state, Right to keep and bear arms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Like I said, the last thing we need are a bunch of extremists organizing a militia.

http://www.blackanthem.com/News/U_S...ts-Border-Patrol-On-Lake-Champlain20620.shtml

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/16/obama-lawsuit-invites-fortified-state-militia/


RN