THE Super Ultra Wealthy Man can see the future, he sees horror ahead

wait, dont jump any steps here. So you leverage your assets and borrow against them. For what purpose if not to generate a positive return. And here we are at the question how to tax that return. Where am I getting the math wrong here?

You still are not getting it. That is my point, there is no "additional dollar" The rich leverage their net worth through debt. In other words, they convert income into debt to create leverage of existing assets. So there is no income, only an asset. I know there is hard to understand and maybe I'm being too big of a dick here patronizing you for it as honestly most Americans don't understand this. But debt in the financial world IS an asset and that asset has different income generating qualities then equity. The top 1% earn practically ZERO income so there is no marginal income to tax. You see here is what you need to get your head around. Income, as you understand it, only has value to those who need cash flow in the present to meet expenses. If you don't need that cash flow, there is absolutely ZERO benefit to creating a cash flow. So any cash flow that does exist is converted into debt wiping out the short term taxable cashflow. Why do you think rich people own 15 properties all over the world. Most of them will never step foot in those homes, they bought the homes to create a debt or obligation. The debt in this case IS an asset and the interest on that debt is tax deductible against any short term cash flows.

I know this is confusing but this is why people get paid bucks to learn and understand the math and optimize assets to create maximum value.
 
a) no you do not have that right
b) So if you ask for it others need to jump? How about this: Fuxx off!!!
c) We can read posts where you reflect your own opinions or where you display th

Right, so am I to understand that you don't have any evidence or data to support your assertions? You stated you have evidence and are happy to provide it if someone asks for it. I have asked for it. This is very simple. In fact, I can't think of anything less complicated than this.

We can discuss all the other stuff later, if you like...
 
wait, dont jump any steps here. So you leverage your assets and borrow against them. For what purpose if not to generate a positive return. And here we are at the question how to tax that return. Where am I getting the math wrong here?

The return is NOT a cash flow!
 
a) no you do not have that understanding right
b) So if you ask for it others need to jump? Not everyone is below your intellect...
c) We can read posts where you reflect your own opinions or where you display the ability to cite or paraphrase people correctly FIRST, and then we discuss the stuff you want right after. How about this polite suggestion? Like that Martin?

Right, so am I to understand that you don't have any evidence or data to support your assertions? You stated you have evidence and are happy to provide it if someone asks for it. I have asked for it. This is very simple. In fact, I can't think of anything less complicated than this.

We can discuss all the other stuff later, if you like...
 
then please enlighten us what it is that, according to your proclamation, is not taxable? Duck eggs?

Dude, have you taken a college finance class? Please be honest. It just will help in terms of how much trouble I have to go through to teach you this stuff. Have you analyzed a financial statement of a publicly traded company? Have you ever done cash flow analysis? DCF? Any of this sound familiar to you?
 
you are a plain, simple asswipe. You have not answered a single of my absolutely basic questions. You changed the topic each single time. Now you try to tell us that the top 1% cannot be taxed because they do not generate income nor capital gains nor property appreciations nor any other valuations that can be measured with any given metric and that the problem is related to discounted cash flow analysis? Though I held Martin's posts in higher regard (the few I came across) I now seriously question his intellect as well given how long he dealt with your drivel.

Before you try to school others next time you may want to check or at least reckon with the possibility they could have worked in a professional finance environment for at least twice as long as you have (if you ever actually), their academic achievements may put yours to shame, and their intellect may be a little ahead yours. But you would not know that because you have not even understood that this (not just this thread but globally) whole discussion about inequality is not about who is richer and who is poorer but about how to better make everyone, including the top 1%, to contribute their fair share to a system/country most feel so comfortable living in that even a 20% tax differential would not make anyone change their minds about wanting to stay.

How ridiculous, I am out of here. There is a little tiny chance you put forth this crap on purpose to kill any and all discourse. Well you won...adios.




Dude, have you taken a college finance class? Please be honest. It just will help in terms of how much trouble I have to go through to teach you this stuff. Have you analyzed a financial statement of a publicly traded company? Have you ever done cash flow analysis? DCF? Any of this sound familiar to you?
 
you are a plain, simple asswipe. You have not answered a single of my absolutely basic questions. You changed the topic each single time. Now you try to tell us that the top 1% cannot be taxed because they do not generate income nor capital gains nor property appreciations nor any other valuations that can be measured with any given metric and that the problem is related to discounted cash flow analysis? Though I held Martin's posts in higher regard (the few I came across) I now seriously question his intellect as well given how long he dealt with your drivel. How ridiculous, I am out of here. There is a little tiny chance you put forth this crap on purpose to kill any and all discourse. Well you won...adios.

So I take that to mean, no, you have NOT taken a college finance course. No problem, most of ET hasn't either. Numbers and math are quite a challenge to most ETers. The fact that you are struggling to get this pretty much tells me all I need to know. This is actually very simple stuff. Now, granted it can get very complicated but I haven't even left the simple stuff yet and you fell off the back of the bus. LOL. So I guess you can go home now. No more class and don't worry, no homework will be assigned. There would be no point.
 
a) no you do not have that understanding right
b) So if you ask for it others need to jump? Not everyone is below your intellect...
c) We can read posts where you reflect your own opinions or where you display the ability to cite or paraphrase people correctly FIRST, and then we discuss the stuff you want right after. How about this polite suggestion? Like that Martin?
Right, let me cite what you have said clearly, so as to refresh your memory...

"But what I DO claim is the truth of statistics that point to the fact that among the top 1% Americans, Jews place in the lower deciles of giving. (I know what comes next and I am prepared to deliver it, you just need to ask ;-)"

And

"I am claiming that there are some striking unbalanced nuances relating Jews to wealth and Jews and benevolents of society

a) fact is that Jews are highly overrepresenting the top 1% of wealthiest Americans (fact), they are hugely over represented in politics, finance, media.
b) however, Jews place in the lower ranks among the same top 1% when it comes to donations, general giving, voluntary work, peacekeeping (have you heard of Israeli soldiers participating in any peacekeeping missions every? Not that they do not have their hands full of work on their own,but...)
c) Jews are hugely underrepresented to chair and head non-profit organization that put on their agenda the intent to provide opportunities to others, help others in need.
d) Jews are also hugely underrepresented in Basic jobs that serve others, nursing, sanitary cleaning, ... (now why would that be the case given the scientific evidence that Jews on average do not possess a higher IQ than others)

I rest my case, all I am saying is that there is a lack of balance, getting and giving is just hugely out of balance within this racial group."


Both of these are from your post numbered 109 in this thread. Now, in light of the above and seeing as how I have cited you properly, may I again ask you nicely to provide some of the evidence and statistics that you're referring to?
 
you are a plain, simple asswipe. You have not answered a single of my absolutely basic questions.

Volpunter

It is actually much much MUCH worse than you realize.

You believe you are talking to another person like you and me on the other side.

NO

Martinghoul and Maverick and Pizoe and maybe 3 others, are most likely part of the Government Internet Posting program. If you never heard of it, that's because Mainstream media doesn't report it.

Every large chat and board website has government paid posters, whose job is to toe the party line, be it for FED, or government, or protecting the Status Quo

For example Martinghoul IS INFAMOUS ON ET for protecting ALWAYS all actions of the FED, and always obfuscating when directly exposed both in logic and data, facts.

Don't waste your time. You are talking to degenerates paid to betray their own citizens.

And by the way to top it off, Maverick is a Jewish Zionist, this guy is one of those guys who donates to State of Israel so they can continue enlarging their borders and pretending Palestinians don't exist LOL

Ask Maverick what he thinks of the fact that more than a Trillion of US money by now was freely given to Israel in cash and hardware. They will never pay US back and will involve US in more dirty wars.

See what maverick says to that, Ask him if he has dual citizenship like many US congressmen.

aahhhh.........I will so enjoy US downfall. It is only a matter of time.
 
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