THE Super Ultra Wealthy Man can see the future, he sees horror ahead

[Eurokopek]

I never claimed to have such report, the problem with some of you is that you either cannot read or listen carefully.

And re Koch, let's dig deeper into the motivations here and questionable record of some of the institutions he "gave" to:

The Koch brothers, who are not Catholic, have actively thrown their wealth behind conservative and libertarian political causes and candidates that reflect their desire for smaller government, lower taxes, fewer regulations on business and less oversight of the financial markets. They have backed Tea Party organizations, anti-union initiatives, and opposed environmental regulations. Koch Industries was founded as an oil company, and energy remains its core business. The Kochs have also donated to universities to establish programs in business and related endeavors, and the CUA letter cites reports of “unacceptable meddling in academic content and the hiring process of faculty” by the Koch foundation.

and further

“With most of the annual tax filings for nondisclosing nonprofits now in, it's clear that no other conservative or liberal dark money network matched, in combined size and complexity, the constellation of Koch-linked groups that churned hundreds of millions of dollars into elections around the country last year.”

then

"From direct political influence and robust lobbying to nonprofit policy research and advocacy, and even increasingly in academia and the broader public “marketplace of ideas,” this extensive, cross-sector Koch club or network appears to be unprecedented in size, scope and funding. And the relationship between these for-profit and nonprofit entities is often mutually reinforcing to the direct financial and political interests of the behemoth corporation — broadly characterized as deregulation, limited government and free markets."

and most interestingly:
For example, in 2011 and 2012, Koch Industries Public Sector LLC, the lobbying arm of Koch Industries, advocated for the Energy Tax Prevention Act, which would have rolled back the Supreme Court’s ruling that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) could regulate greenhouse gases. The bill was sponsored by Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., and co-signed by 92 Republicans (and three Democrats), 61 of whom signed an anti-climate tax “pledge.” An economist with the American Council for Capital Formation — a nonprofit group that receives Koch money — testified about that same bill before the House Energy and Commerce Committee. Margo Thorning told members of the House in February 2011 that regulation of greenhouse gas emissions “makes little economic or environmental sense,” according to her testimony.

Fuck, "reductions of greenhouse gas emissions makes little environmental sense"???????????

-> So, tell me whether I understand correctly. Almost every recipient of Koch's dollars had something to say that benefited Koch directly, some of the recipients seem to be experts on environmental issues despite the fact they directly contradict what the world's vast majority of leading researchers have to say about greenhouse gas emissions? Funny.

How about this:

"There were similar confluences of interest, with Koch foundation-funded, tax-exempt nonprofits and Koch’s commercial lobbyists saying similar things about the same pending legislation on Capitol Hill — such as in 2007-2008 on the proposed America’s Climate Security Act. In 2011 and 2012, Koch Industries and one of its supported nonprofits, the Heritage Foundation, “educated” lawmakers and their staff in their respective ways regarding the proposed New Alternatives Transportation to Give Americans Solutions Act legislation."

And hey,
you are telling me that there is not ONE SPECIFIC REASON why the Kochs donated (16million between 2007-2011, and a total of 21 million) to George Mason University but 1000 dollars to Wisconsin Lutheran College? There are no connections? No dots to be connected?

If you truly believe so then you must be the most delusional person I have ever conversed with. A truly charitable foundation that has at its center giving and helping those in need do not make testimonies in congress, they dont need to schmooze with the givers, they do not have connections that benefit the givers, they are way too busy working with local communities and individuals in need. Maybe we truly have different definitions of giving and cannot compare or argue about this topic, but your definition of giving and donating is in my book highly flawed.

Like I said, you are moving the goalposts. My point about Koch was:
a) his activities are not pro-jewish. In fact, he sides with Tea party, while majority of jews vote for democrates.
b) in 2013 (the report I used) he actually donated money for a hospital
If you don't like Koch, you can focus on other 10 individuals in the list.

I never claimed to have such report, the problem with some of you is that you either cannot read or listen carefully.

b) however, Jews place in the lower ranks among the same top 1% when it comes to donations, general giving, voluntary work, peacekeeping (have you heard of Israeli soldiers participating in any peacekeeping missions every? Not that they do not have their hands full of work on their own,but...)
c) Jews are hugely underrepresented to chair and head non-profit organization that put on their agenda the intent to provide opportunities to others, help others in need.

* that I linked up this article and the open admission of the author's Jewish roots with the fact that statistically those in the top 1% bracket in the US who claim Jewish roots are the least generous givers who have very little intent to give back to society what they benefitted from relative to other racial groups

statistically those in the top 1% bracket in the US who claim Jewish roots are the least generous givers

Clearly, usage of word "statistically" implies there are reports out there. You have also made false claims, such as Jews in the US having lower than average IQ, while in fact it's higher than average.

d) Jews are also hugely underrepresented in Basic jobs that serve others, nursing, sanitary cleaning, ... (now why would that be the case given the scientific evidence that Jews on average do not possess a higher IQ than others)

 

[volpunter]

there are reports out there but not the ones you cited (at least not that I know). Dude, you can't say I move goal posts when I made a clear statement and you change the topic. I said a majority of the wealthiest Jews do not really give and donate to selfless causes (I phased it slightly differently but I make it clearer now for sake of precision). Heck, you think I am not aware of hundreds of millions - billions in aggregate that many Jews donate to political campaigns and other causes that in turn benefit them? My big picture point is that those who are in most need among us and receive donations or support through charitable foundations are under-financed by the Jewish wealthy community while they proportionally receive a lot more from non Jews. That was my whole argument.

And I never said Jews on average have a lower IQ. Damn it, here we are again, when arguments run out do you really have to resort to lies and twisting words of others?

Like I said, you are moving the goalposts. My point about Koch was:
a) his activities are not pro-jewish. In fact, he sides with Tea party, while majority of jews vote for democrates.
b) in 2013 (the report I used) he actually donated money for a hospital
If you don't like Koch, you can focus on other 10 individuals in the list.









Clearly, usage of word "statistically" implies there are reports out there. You have also made false claims, such as Jews in the US having lower than average IQ, while in fact it's higher than average.

 

[Eurokopek]

there are reports out there but not the ones you cited (at least not that I know). Dude, you can't say I move goal posts when I made a clear statement and you change the topic. I said a majority of the wealthiest Jews do not really give and donate to selfless causes (I phased it slightly differently but I make it clearer now for sake of precision). Heck, you think I am not aware of hundreds of millions - billions in aggregate that many Jews donate to political campaigns and other causes that in turn benefit them? My big picture point is that those who are in most need among us and receive donations or support through charitable foundations are under-financed by the Jewish wealthy community while they proportionally receive a lot more from non Jews. That was my whole argument.

That's exactly what moving goalposts is. You make a claim that Jews do not donate outside their community. When proven wrong, you blame it on miscommunication, poor wording, my inability to read and listen, and being misunderstood. Suddenly your original point becomes "Jews donate to political campaigns and other causes that in turn benefit them, but not to charitable foundations".

You have chosen to ignore my sample of 11, fine, but give me your report now then. Your theory is worth nothing if you have no evidence to back it up. It's ironical how you call facts statistical despite not having a single data point.

And I never said Jews on average have a lower IQ. Damn it, here we are again, when arguments run out do you really have to resort to lies and twisting words of others?

I understand that with verbal diarrhea diagnosis it's difficult to remember everything you said, but I cited what you said word by word. Let me do it again,

d) Jews are also hugely underrepresented in Basic jobs that serve others, nursing, sanitary cleaning, ... (now why would that be the case given the scientific evidence that Jews on average do not possess a higher IQ than others)

inb4 picking up on difference between "lower" and "not higher"

 

[volpunter]

you cited me? In the same way than Martinghoul did?

Ok, show me where I wrote that "Jews on average have a lower IQ" and I agree that you cited me correctly and happily deliver the link the the statistic I was referring to, because you accused me of saying, I cite

" You have also made false claims, such as Jews in the US having lower than average IQ, while in fact it's higher than average."

That's exactly what moving goalposts is. You make a claim that Jews do not donate outside their community. When proven wrong, you blame it on miscommunication, poor wording, my inability to read and listen, and being misunderstood. Suddenly your original point becomes "Jews donate to political campaigns and other causes that in turn benefit them, but not to charitable foundations".

You have chosen to ignore my sample of 11, fine, but give me your report now then. Your theory is worth nothing if you have no evidence to back it up. It's ironical how you call facts statistical despite not having a single data point.



I understand that with verbal diarrhea diagnosis it's difficult to remember everything you said, but I cited what you said word by word. Let me do it again,


inb4 picking up on difference between "lower" and "not higher"

 

[Martinghoul]

It seems that you're having a similar conversation w/ eurokopek, volpunter... Not to derail that, but are you intending to respond to my latest post (before this one)? Or are you unable/unwilling to provide the statistics and the evidence that you have claimed you possess? This is the last time I will ask...

 

[Eurokopek]

you cited me? In the same way than Martinghoul did?

Ok, show me where I wrote that "Jews on average have a lower IQ" and I agree that you cited me correctly and happily deliver the link the the statistic I was referring to, because you accused me of saying, I cite

" You have also made false claims, such as Jews in the US having lower than average IQ, while in fact it's higher than average."

Yes, you said that in post #109 of this thread. The original comment is:

well, hold on, did I claim every Jew "squeezes" everyone else? I claimed that the Rothschilds and countless other financiers, politicians, media moguls centuries ago and all the way until today apply favoritism and created an empire that benefits themselves while many of them are very fast to postulate others to give and they themselves are very uneager to take the first step. If the author of the article was so eager to provide opportunities for those living under the poverty line then there are ample opportunities, yet, he stands on the roof top to share with the world his jet-set-life? Have you seen or heard of similar accounts by Bill Gates and the various others who actually just start something to change the world? But what I DO claim is the truth of statistics that point to the fact that among the top 1% Americans, Jews place in the lower deciles of giving. (I know what comes next and I am prepared to deliver it, you just need to ask ;-)

I am claiming that there are some striking unbalanced nuances relating Jews to wealth and Jews and benevolents of society

a) fact is that Jews are highly overrepresenting the top 1% of wealthiest Americans (fact), they are hugely over represented in politics, finance, media.
b) however, Jews place in the lower ranks among the same top 1% when it comes to donations, general giving, voluntary work, peacekeeping (have you heard of Israeli soldiers participating in any peacekeeping missions every? Not that they do not have their hands full of work on their own,but...)
c) Jews are hugely underrepresented to chair and head non-profit organization that put on their agenda the intent to provide opportunities to others, help others in need.
d) Jews are also hugely underrepresented in Basic jobs that serve others, nursing, sanitary cleaning, ... (now why would that be the case given the scientific evidence that Jews on average do not possess a higher IQ than others)

I rest my case, all I am saying is that there is a lack of balance, getting and giving is just hugely out of balance within this racial group.

Specifically, in point d) of this post you said,

d) Jews are also hugely underrepresented in Basic jobs that serve others, nursing, sanitary cleaning, ... (now why would that be the case given the scientific evidence that Jews on average do not possess a higher IQ than others)

Of course, you can nitpick on difference between "lower" and "not higher", and argue that your point was that Jews have IQ level equal to other groups, but not lower or higher than other groups, but I could equally argue that my definition of "others" can be interpreted as comparison with any other racial/ethnic group, in which case it would mean that Jews not having IQ higher than the lowest group with lowest IQ in the US is tantamount to lower IQ than average, since the lowest group is likely to be sub 95, below the average of around 100.

I will also remind that,

But what I DO claim is the truth of statistics that point to the fact that among the top 1% Americans, Jews place in the lower deciles of giving. (I know what comes next and I am prepared to deliver it, you just need to ask ;-)

Deliver it. Deliver everything on b), c) and d).

 

[Eurokopek]

It seems that you're having a similar conversation w/ eurokopek, volpunter... Not to derail that, but are you intending to respond to my latest post (before this one)? Or are you unable/unwilling to provide the statistics and the evidence that you have claimed you possess? This is the last time I will ask...

If he provides you with the statistics, good luck explaining why stormfront isn't a credible source.

 

[smallStops]

The problem with this thread is some people are showing paranoia and are trying to trap volpunter so that they can accuse him of being antisemite.
Don't inflict misery on others if a good psy can sort out your problem.

 

[volpunter]

my quote: "Jews on average do not possess a higher IQ than others)"

your quote: "Jews on average have a lower IQ"

-> Yes, you are stupid and you are the next on ignore. Maybe you want to learn to read carefully and more importantly to deduce the correct conclusions from what you read. Goodness, is the intellect on this website on average really THIS low?

Yes, you said that in post #109 of this thread. The original comment is:



Specifically, in point d) of this post you said,



Of course, you can nitpick on difference between "lower" and "not higher", and argue that your point was that Jews have IQ level equal to other groups, but not lower or higher than other groups, but I could equally argue that my definition of "others" can be interpreted as comparison with any other racial/ethnic group, in which case it would mean that Jews not having IQ higher than the lowest group with lowest IQ in the US is tantamount to lower IQ than average, since the lowest group is likely to be sub 95, below the average of around 100.

I will also remind that,

Deliver it. Deliver everything on b), c) and d).

 

[volpunter]

they are not paranoid at all and why should they be? Those in politics and media with a very strong motivation to portray Jews as mere victims of every crime there is and as the benevolent of society really do not have to work hard, given the average level of education and intellect among us.

The problem with this thread is some people are showing paranoia and are trying to trap volpunter so that they can accuse him of being antisemite.
Don't inflict misery on others if a good psy can sort out your problem.