The stupid and irresponsible "home owners" bail out is happaning

Quote from Businessman:

Isnt the bail out supposed to be one home per person, ie only for owner occupiers. So the other three mortages will reset.

Although if his mortages are with seperate banks he could probably get away with lieing that he occupied each house himself..

Yep. It's very easy to do that. How would a bank really prove otherwise? Assuming of course he didn't have a tenant with a signed lease or something on the property in question.
 
Quote from Businessman:

I know i guy who never got passed high school, can barely read.

He delivers sandwiches for a living.

Anyway back in 2002 he bought a house for 130K GBP, (260USD). His salary was like 18K a year (including overtime)

That house was worth 60K in 1996 and is now worth 220K.

I ask him back in 2002: what are you going to do if interest rates go up. His reply was that too many people have big debts and therefore the government wont increase rates too much as it would hurt too many people and the economy.

Six months ago he extracted 30K of equity to extend his house.

He was right. I doubt rates will ever go up enough to hurt him.

This is the guy who understands how it really works now. 10 years ago he would be out on the street and sued for the negative equity, now he gets to stay in the house. Some of us are stuck with stuff from 20 year old text books talking about taking away the punch bowl just as the party gets started by Fed raising rates to control inflation, rein in bubbles etc. Now the Fed comes in with free Beer at Midnight. Similar measure were brought in by the Govt in the UK recession of the early nineties. people kept their huses but not their jobs in what was a rotracted grinding recession. Same in Thailand, everyone kept their condo and 500SL but nobody made any money for 10 years.
 
Quote from ang_99:

I guess whoever owns these mortgage backed securities..
I'm sure my "administrative fees" or refi fees will go up to help foot the bill, too. :(

I agree with the first poster. Shoulda seen it coming. Countrywide to big to fail, so let's bail them and the irresponsible borrowers out!
 
Like some of you, i too was puzzled by how the government could force these contracts to be altered, but now i understand it's apparently a voluntary and cooperative agreement on the part of some of the major holders of the subprime paper. And that raises the question whether this solution can be forced on those holders who don't agree to suspend rate increases? (Of course we know the government has its ways of getting want it wants.)

I wonder what fraction of the total subprime out there is going to be affected by this. Finally, i wonder if those holding devalued subprime paper, that now yields less than was anticipated, will be compensated via tax breaks. If so, we taxpayers will end up subsidizing those who made these bad investments.
 
I am so pissed about this. Are we living in America? Seems more like Russia or China.

What about the refunds due to those who paid twice what they should have for a house in some areas of the country due to the speculation in the market?? What about those people? Can they get relief?? Fuck no. Lets just help the liars and cheats out.



John
 
Quote from Mvic:

Its not that I want people to suffer but then again why bother having a market at all, why don't we all just adopt a communist style economy and let the state shield us from any pain. Support and Vote for Ron Paul before it is too late for those of us in this country who still believe in a market economy.

Smartest post in the thread. Everyone else is being led around by nose. The financial issues are true, but this is about power.

At the core, this is just than the masses being further acclimated to Big Brother running their lives. Far from a government mistake, seems like pretty good execution to me.

In today's day and age, people don't have to be forced to be enslaved, they will beg the government to do it.

P.S. It's a bit sad that Mvic was the first response to the thread starter and not ONE other poster noted the truth of his statement.
 
We hold Mvic's truth to be self evident. Why is it sad to agree with it and not bump it? It's a great reponse as is yours.
 
Quote from Optionspoet:

The govt is going to side with the majority, which are the financially irresponsible.


untrue, only about 0.6% of all homeowners are facing foreclosure. and many of those won't qualify for the bailout.

the govnt is siding with big business and dead-beat subprime borrowers with the worst credit scores.
 
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