The stupid and irresponsible "home owners" bail out is happaning

your right, these guys are not bailing out borrowers they are bailing out the lenders. thank god for rick santelli. he is the only reason i listen to cnbc sometimes. the rest of those guys are like rush limbaugh of the financial world.:mad:
 
Subprime Mess Produces Unqualified Victims: Michael Lewis

2007-04-16 00:22 (New York)





Commentary by Michael Lewis

April 16 (Bloomberg) -- The story line of the newest

American financial debacle is now clear:

President Bill Clinton eased lending standards to encourage

the rich people who run the mortgage market to embrace poor

people with low credit ratings. Then these horrible rich people

-- these unfeeling sharks -- went to work exploiting the poor.

First, they talked poor people into borrowing money they

should never have borrowed. Then they brought in some other

sharks to package the loans as bonds, who in turn talked some

other only slightly less poor people into buying the bonds. The

rich middlemen took their fees and left the poor borrowers and

slightly less poor lenders holding the bag.

The moral of the story is also clear: No matter how much

the government might try to help the poor, the rich people who

run financial markets will find a way to screw them.

At any rate, that's how it reads to me in the many scandal-

tinged accounts of the subprime loan-market collapse. And on its

surface the moral is appealing: the story is always better, and

easier to write, when the rich guys are the crooks. But this

interpretation of current events does raise a few questions. To

wit:

1) If the subprime home-loan market was a cynical

conspiracy, why did so many of the putative conspirators wind up

taking so much of the risk?

The single biggest collapse in the market has been that of

New Century Financial Corp., the second-biggest subprime

mortgage lender. When New Century collapsed it owed money to

many, but the single biggest creditor, according to the London

Times, was...Goldman Sachs Group Inc., followed by Morgan

Stanley, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., etc., etc.



Out $1 Billion



Interestingly, New Century's 10th-largest creditor --

again, according to the Times -- was another subprime lender,

Countrywide Financial Corp. (Barclays Plc, out $1 billion, was a

mere 15th on the list, which gives you an idea of the sums

involved.) Given this, you just know that it's a matter of time

before we learn of some hedge fund that's on the verge of

collapse as a result of its investments in subprime mortgages.

2) Why does the most financially obsessed and presumably

well-informed character on earth, the American Investor, insist

on playing the fool?

Amazingly, in the wake of the Internet boom and bust, some

meaningful number of American investors fails to ask why they

are being offered fantastic returns on their investments. Paid

six times the risk-free rate on the notes and bonds of a

subprime lender called American Business Financial Services (a

name that's a sign of bad things to come, if ever there was

one), they don't wonder why it is that their investments yield

such spectacular returns. Instead, they become outraged when

American Business Financial Services collapses, then sue the

Wall Street investment banks who sold them the bonds.



Tell Your Story



Then they go to the media. From Bloomberg News we learn the

sad story of a small investor named Buck Meyer who lost $300,000

when American Business Financial Services tanks. The man has two

children! He planned to use the amazingly high interest rates he

earned on his American Business Financial Services bonds to pay

the mortgage on his own new house in Chattanooga, Tennessee! How

could they possibly fail to pay off?

No one suggests that Buck Meyer, in effect, gambled his

savings away -- that he might as well have grabbed the special

offer of a free hotel room and flown to Las Vegas, groped his

way to the roulette table, plopped his life savings down on 00,

and then sued the casino for losing his money. Then again, the

Vegas gambler can't expect journalists and juries to take his

case seriously.



Cheap Insurance



Which raises yet another question: Did the knowledge that

he could count on journalists and juries for sympathy embolden

Buck Meyer to gamble his savings away? Even if Buck Meyer didn't

consciously think ``If they don't give me my money back, I'll

just sue 'em,'' was he not subconsciously aware that these

lucrative if risky bonds came with a loose social insurance

policy? Are the journalists and juries, therefore, partly to

blame for his losses?

3) Why in this new drama is it so easy to imagine borrowers

in a different role, other than the one in which they are

currently cast: The Victim?

Moving is never pleasant or cheap, but that is the main

cost to the subprime defaulter: He hands back the house, whose

value has presumably plummeted, to the people who lent the money

to buy it, and walks away. He rents. (Shrewdly!) In effect he

bought a very cheap call option on the U.S. housing market.

While he waited to see if his call option made him richer, he

lived in a much nicer house than he could otherwise afford and

probably wondered why rich people had become so recklessly open-

handed. His behavior was irresponsible, but the markets let him

do it and so it's hard to blame him for taking a flier.

Am I the only one who wonders how a person who borrows

money he can't repay, buys a house he can't afford, and then

stiffs his creditors, is allowed to play the victim?

A more convincing victim, I would have thought, is the

person with weak credit but strong resolve who stood to benefit

from a subprime loan -- and who now can't get one because the

market is scared of his shadow.



(Michael Lewis, the author, most recently, of ``The Blind

Side,'' is a columnist for Bloomberg News. The views he

expresses are his own.)
 
if this bailout happens, every future homeowner will likely have to pay a fee at closing for "reset insurance" in case the mortgage issuer is forced to reneg. sometime in the future....

this is nuts...
 
Why weren't people complaining back in August when I was. That's cos nobody was short.

Quote from Mvic:

Its not that I want people to suffer but then again why bother having a market at all, why don't we all just adopt a communist style economy and let the state shield us from any pain. Support and Vote for Ron Paul before it is too late for those of us in this country who still believe in a market economy.
 
Quote from duffman:

Subprime Mess Produces Unqualified Victims: Michael Lewis

2007-04-16 00:22 (New York)





Commentary by Michael Lewis

April 16 (Bloomberg) -- The story line of the newest

American financial debacle is now clear:

President Bill Clinton eased lending standards to encourage

the rich people who run the mortgage market to embrace poor

people with low credit ratings. Then these horrible rich people

-- these unfeeling sharks -- went to work exploiting the poor.

First, they talked poor people into borrowing money they

should never have borrowed. Then they brought in some other

sharks to package the loans as bonds, who in turn talked some

other only slightly less poor people into buying the bonds. The

rich middlemen took their fees and left the poor borrowers and

slightly less poor lenders holding the bag.

The moral of the story is also clear: No matter how much

the government might try to help the poor, the rich people who

run financial markets will find a way to screw them.

At any rate, that's how it reads to me in the many scandal-

tinged accounts of the subprime loan-market collapse. And on its

surface the moral is appealing: the story is always better, and

easier to write, when the rich guys are the crooks. But this

interpretation of current events does raise a few questions. To

wit:

1) If the subprime home-loan market was a cynical

conspiracy, why did so many of the putative conspirators wind up

taking so much of the risk?

The single biggest collapse in the market has been that of

New Century Financial Corp., the second-biggest subprime

mortgage lender. When New Century collapsed it owed money to

many, but the single biggest creditor, according to the London

Times, was...Goldman Sachs Group Inc., followed by Morgan

Stanley, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., etc., etc.



Out $1 Billion



Interestingly, New Century's 10th-largest creditor --

again, according to the Times -- was another subprime lender,

Countrywide Financial Corp. (Barclays Plc, out $1 billion, was a

mere 15th on the list, which gives you an idea of the sums

involved.) Given this, you just know that it's a matter of time

before we learn of some hedge fund that's on the verge of

collapse as a result of its investments in subprime mortgages.

2) Why does the most financially obsessed and presumably

well-informed character on earth, the American Investor, insist

on playing the fool?

Amazingly, in the wake of the Internet boom and bust, some

meaningful number of American investors fails to ask why they

are being offered fantastic returns on their investments. Paid

six times the risk-free rate on the notes and bonds of a

subprime lender called American Business Financial Services (a

name that's a sign of bad things to come, if ever there was

one), they don't wonder why it is that their investments yield

such spectacular returns. Instead, they become outraged when

American Business Financial Services collapses, then sue the

Wall Street investment banks who sold them the bonds.



Tell Your Story



Then they go to the media. From Bloomberg News we learn the

sad story of a small investor named Buck Meyer who lost $300,000

when American Business Financial Services tanks. The man has two

children! He planned to use the amazingly high interest rates he

earned on his American Business Financial Services bonds to pay

the mortgage on his own new house in Chattanooga, Tennessee! How

could they possibly fail to pay off?

No one suggests that Buck Meyer, in effect, gambled his

savings away -- that he might as well have grabbed the special

offer of a free hotel room and flown to Las Vegas, groped his

way to the roulette table, plopped his life savings down on 00,

and then sued the casino for losing his money. Then again, the

Vegas gambler can't expect journalists and juries to take his

case seriously.



Cheap Insurance



Which raises yet another question: Did the knowledge that

he could count on journalists and juries for sympathy embolden

Buck Meyer to gamble his savings away? Even if Buck Meyer didn't

consciously think ``If they don't give me my money back, I'll

just sue 'em,'' was he not subconsciously aware that these

lucrative if risky bonds came with a loose social insurance

policy? Are the journalists and juries, therefore, partly to

blame for his losses?

3) Why in this new drama is it so easy to imagine borrowers

in a different role, other than the one in which they are

currently cast: The Victim?

Moving is never pleasant or cheap, but that is the main

cost to the subprime defaulter: He hands back the house, whose

value has presumably plummeted, to the people who lent the money

to buy it, and walks away. He rents. (Shrewdly!) In effect he

bought a very cheap call option on the U.S. housing market.

While he waited to see if his call option made him richer, he

lived in a much nicer house than he could otherwise afford and

probably wondered why rich people had become so recklessly open-

handed. His behavior was irresponsible, but the markets let him

do it and so it's hard to blame him for taking a flier.

Am I the only one who wonders how a person who borrows

money he can't repay, buys a house he can't afford, and then

stiffs his creditors, is allowed to play the victim?

A more convincing victim, I would have thought, is the

person with weak credit but strong resolve who stood to benefit

from a subprime loan -- and who now can't get one because the

market is scared of his shadow.



(Michael Lewis, the author, most recently, of ``The Blind

Side,'' is a columnist for Bloomberg News. The views he

expresses are his own.)

Outstanding post.
 
Quote from daddyeaux:

if this bailout happens, every future homeowner will likely have to pay a fee at closing for "reset insurance" in case the mortgage issuer is forced to reneg. sometime in the future....

this is nuts...

heh heh now not only will they pay PMI, but also MRI (mortgage reset insurance). LOL
 
Quote from duffman:


President Bill Clinton eased lending standards to encourage

the rich people who run the mortgage market to embrace poor

people with low credit ratings.

Every economic, social, and security problem we faced in the last 8 years can be directly attributed to the Clinton admin. I'm digressing.
 
What a cock of sh*t? I want teaser rate for my mortgage too, or I want higher CD rate for my saving.

How come only losers get the benefits? I don't get it.
 
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