the sooner we get away from BEEF

You're about 5 years behind the times. Many nutritionists no longer believe in a simple relationship between fat intake and cardiovascular disease. There have been numerous recent studies that show this, including the meta-analysis (analysis of 21 different studies) summarized below (from the Harvard School of Public Health). Cardiovascular disease is much more complex than just eating, or not eating, fat. CVD is the result of ALL nutrients consumed and the resulting hormone reactions. Fat intake is only one small piece of the puzzle.

If you want to believe that "no fat" is the best way to go, that's your business, but there's a lot of scientific evidence to the contrary, including very strong evidence regarding the many health benefits of olive oil (monounsaturated fats) that provide membrane fluidity and help protect arteries at the cellular level.

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Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease1,2,3,4,5
Patty W Siri-Tarino, Qi Sun, Frank B Hu and Ronald M Krauss
1 From the Children's Hospital Oakland Research Institute Oakland CA (PWS-TRMK)the Departments of Nutrition (QSFBH)Epidemiology (FBH) Harvard School of Public Health Boston MA.

2 PWS-T and QS contributed equally to this work.

3 The contents of this article are solely the responsibility of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official view of the National Center for Research Resources (http://www.ncrr.nih.gov) or the National Institutes of Health.

4 Supported by the National Dairy Council (PWS-T and RMK) and made possible by grant UL1 RR024131-01 from the National Center for Research Resources, a component of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and NIH Roadmap for Medical Research (PWS-T and RMK). QS was supported by a Postdoctoral Fellowship from Unilever Corporate Research. FBH was supported by NIH grant HL60712.

5 Address correspondence to RM Krauss, Children's Hospital Oakland Research Institute, 5700 Martin Luther King Junior Way, Oakland, CA 94609. E-mail: rkrauss@chori.org.


ABSTRACT

Background: A reduction in dietary saturated fat has generally been thought to improve cardiovascular health.

Objective: The objective of this meta-analysis was to summarize the evidence related to the association of dietary saturated fat with risk of coronary heart disease (CHD), stroke, and cardiovascular disease (CVD; CHD inclusive of stroke) in prospective epidemiologic studies.

Design: Twenty-one studies identified by searching MEDLINE and EMBASE databases and secondary referencing qualified for inclusion in this study. A random-effects model was used to derive composite relative risk estimates for CHD, stroke, and CVD.

Results: During 5–23 y of follow-up of 347,747 subjects, 11,006 developed CHD or stroke. Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. The pooled relative risk estimates that compared extreme quantiles of saturated fat intake were 1.07 (95% CI: 0.96, 1.19; P = 0.22) for CHD, 0.81 (95% CI: 0.62, 1.05; P = 0.11) for stroke, and 1.00 (95% CI: 0.89, 1.11; P = 0.95) for CVD. Consideration of age, sex, and study quality did not change the results.

Conclusions: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.

Received for publication March 6, 2009. Accepted for publication November 25, 2009.




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Meat, eggs dairy full of BAD FAT! If must eat dairy onl;y FAT-FREE!

EAT LEAFY GREENS!! THEN EAT SOME MORE! :D

ps throw the olive oil away too;high bad fat no eat :D
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Here's what scientists have to say on the subject of organic versus conventionally grown foods:

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=52420


http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_articles/organic_food_better_you_conventionally_produced_food



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why ask "Tom" what the heel does he know?

Consider at least opting for organic when buying these fruits and vegetables, as they’re considered the top 10 worst offenders for pesticides, according to the Environmental Working Group:

* Apples
* Celery
* Cherries
* Grapes (imported)
* Lettuce
* Nectarines
* Peaches
* Pears
* Strawberries
* Sweet bell peppers
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Good things to eat:
1. Protein: Meats (beef, chicken and fish) and eggs
2. Fresh fruits and vegetables (lots of salads - usually with olive oil and vinegar for dressing)
3. Nuts and seeds (take it easy on these because they have a lot of calories, but have some every day)
4. Dairy includes only plain yoghurt (I like Greek strained yoghurt the best -- "Fage" brand low fat (2%) is the best I've found because it tastes like sour cream and is great on a baked potato -- BTW, take it easy on potatoes because they're very starchy) I also have yoghurt with fruit or use it as a base for a creamy salad dressing.
5. Coffee, tea and water (keep fruit juices to a minimum - and no soft drinks) [I've eliminated all caffein from my diet now, but that's not necessary to get the benefits of this way of eating]
6. A small amount of sauces and condiments are okay, but keep it to a minimum.

Things you must AVOID:
1. Products made with added sugars (cookies, cakes, pies, fast food, soft drinks, etc.)
2. Grains (bread, pasta, etc.) [I ocasionally have a little whole grain pasta or brown rice, but not very often]
3. Avoid like the plague all processed and refined foods that you find in the supermarkets
4. No fried foods - ever

Make lean meats, fresh fruits and fresh vegetables 80-90% of your calories and you'll be off to a good start.

Making these changes was not easy. The first month was hell. The second month was heck. After that, it was easy. The only really tough time is at special occasions (e.g., my daughters' birthday parties where there was ice cream and cake put on the table in front me -- which I love. I admit that I took a taste.)

As diffilcult as these changes were, it was worth it for the positive changes in my health, especially the amazing increase in energy and stamina.
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Sounds about right.

Same listing here, plus some other info: http://www.draxe.com/healing-diet/
 
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You're about 5 years behind the times.
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No, I'm on the cutting edge. :D


Many nutritionists no longer believe in a simple relationship between fat intake and cardiovascular disease. There have been numerous recent studies that show this, including the meta-analysis (analysis of 21 different studies) summarized below (from the Harvard School of Public Health). Cardiovascular disease is much more complex than just eating, or not eating, fat. CVD is the result of ALL nutrients consumed and the resulting hormone reactions. Fat intake is only one small piece of the puzzle.
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It isn't simple that much is true. But one thing IS known, FAT MATTERS!

If you want to believe that "no fat" is the best way to go, that's your business, but there's a lot of scientific evidence to the contrary, including very strong evidence regarding the many health benefits of olive oil (monounsaturated fats) that provide membrane fluidity and help protect arteries at the cellular level.

-------------------------------------------------

Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease1,2,3,4,5
Patty W Siri-Tarino, Qi Sun, Frank B Hu and Ronald M Krauss
1 From the Children's Hospital Oakland Research Institute Oakland CA (PWS-TRMK)the Departments of Nutrition (QSFBH)Epidemiology (FBH) Harvard School of Public Health Boston MA.

2 PWS-T and QS contributed equally to this work.

3 The contents of this article are solely the responsibility of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official view of the National Center for Research Resources (http://www.ncrr.nih.gov) or the National Institutes of Health.

4 Supported by the National Dairy Council (PWS-T and RMK) and made possible by grant UL1 RR024131-01 from the National Center for Research Resources, a component of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and NIH Roadmap for Medical Research (PWS-T and RMK). QS was supported by a Postdoctoral Fellowship from Unilever Corporate Research. FBH was supported by NIH grant HL60712.

5 Address correspondence to RM Krauss, Children's Hospital Oakland Research Institute, 5700 Martin Luther King Junior Way, Oakland, CA 94609. E-mail: rkrauss@chori.org.


ABSTRACT

Background: A reduction in dietary saturated fat has generally been thought to improve cardiovascular health.

Objective: The objective of this meta-analysis was to summarize the evidence related to the association of dietary saturated fat with risk of coronary heart disease (CHD), stroke, and cardiovascular disease (CVD; CHD inclusive of stroke) in prospective epidemiologic studies.

Design: Twenty-one studies identified by searching MEDLINE and EMBASE databases and secondary referencing qualified for inclusion in this study. A random-effects model was used to derive composite relative risk estimates for CHD, stroke, and CVD.

Results: During 5–23 y of follow-up of 347,747 subjects, 11,006 developed CHD or stroke. Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. The pooled relative risk estimates that compared extreme quantiles of saturated fat intake were 1.07 (95% CI: 0.96, 1.19; P = 0.22) for CHD, 0.81 (95% CI: 0.62, 1.05; P = 0.11) for stroke, and 1.00 (95% CI: 0.89, 1.11; P = 0.95) for CVD. Consideration of age, sex, and study quality did not change the results.

Conclusions: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.

Received for publication March 6, 2009. Accepted for publication November 25, 2009.
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I guess you missed the very relevant part where the authors noted that randomized controlled clinical trials in which saturated fat was replaced with polyunsaturated fat observed a reduction in heart disease, and that the ratio between polyunsaturated fat and saturated fat may be a key factor!

Don't fool yourself FAT MATTERS!
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KillTS, why don't you 'bow out' and let Tom run the show. In a few pages, he has been more helpful than you have been in 250 pages

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of course he is he's telling you what you want to hear :D
 
Killthesunshine,

When I set out to change my eating habits (to avoid being put on Lipitor for very high cholesterol) I spoke with experts all across the country(Harvard, Yale, USC, UCLA). Interestingly, most of them did not recommend a super low fat vegetarian diet.

A nutritionist designed a diet for me that includes meat and other fats (but eliminates sugar and grains). My cholesterol fell from 290 to 145 over the next 18 months. My triglicerides fell proportionally. My liver and kidney function improved, my C-reactive protein fell like a rock, my blood pressure fell 10 points and my percent body fat fell from 21% to 16%. Apparently you think this is a bad result. If so, that's okay. It's a free country and you're entitled to your opinion.

I wish you the best of luck and great success on your vegetarian diet. Since you started this thread, I think it's only right that you have the last word.

Best regards,

TD



Quote from killthesunshine:

No, I'm on the cutting edge. :D




It isn't simple that much is true. But one thing IS known, FAT MATTERS!



I guess you missed the very relevant part where the authors noted that randomized controlled clinical trials in which saturated fat was replaced with polyunsaturated fat observed a reduction in heart disease, and that the ratio between polyunsaturated fat and saturated fat may be a key factor!

Don't fool yourself FAT MATTERS!
:D
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Killthesunshine,

When I set out to change my eating habits (to avoid being put on Lipitor for very high cholesterol) I spoke with experts all across the country(Harvard, Yale, USC, UCLA). Interestingly, most of them did not recommend a super low fat vegetarian diet.

A nutritionist designed a diet for me that includes meat and other fats (but eliminates sugar and grains). My cholesterol fell from 290 to 145 over the next 18 months. My triglicerides fell proportionally. My liver and kidney function improved, my C-reactive protein fell like a rock, my blood pressure fell 10 points and my percent body fat fell from 21% to 16%. Apparently you think this is a bad result. If so, that's okay. It's a free country and you're entitled to your opinion.

I wish you the best of luck and great success on your vegetarian diet. Since you started this thread, I think it's only right that you have the last word.

Best regards,

TD
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Why get rid of WHOLE grains?

Whole grains have lots of fiber, some have resistant starch which is good for lowering blood sugar and cholesterol.
 
According to Tom's results, it appears one does NOT need to eat ANY grains in order to achieve great health results.

:)

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Why get rid of WHOLE grains?

Whole grains have lots of fiber, some have resistant starch which is good for lowering blood sugar and cholesterol.
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