that is exactly what i ment.Quote from killthesunshine:
maybe nature is WEEDING (pun intended lol) out the meat-eaters by killing them off early, ever think of that possibility
GIVE BEEF THE BOOT!
the sooner we get away from BEEF
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I love peas, they are delicious....and so is ribeye.
Quote from killthesunshine:
raise your hands...
GIVE PEAS A CHANCE... Peas, peace get it? (more intended pun)
killthesunshine think that saturated fat (CAUSE) heart disease, cancer. So he is saying no meat, no egg, no milk.
But really no cause is found, ONLY associations, correlations.
Why?
Because the animals can accumulate (dioxin) in thier (fat) in their body, and other chemical and hormone. People eat that animal and get that chemical, hormone, dioxin. This is most likely (cause) of cancers. Not the fat.
So to say to take away ALL saturated fat is wrong.
Meat has nutrients that are healthy. Yes, better to eat not too much meat, and more fruit and vegetable.
But people should find how to keep chemicals out of the animal. But what they do is say ALL animal fat is bad to eat.
your a lot like Cool Hand Luke.. you both have a whole lotta nothing
Can you read?
Stephen J. Nicholls, MBBS, PhD, FRACP, FACC*,{dagger}, Pia Lundman, MD, PhD, FESC*,{ddagger},§, Jason A. Harmer, BSc (Hons){ddagger}, Belinda Cutri, BMedSc (Hons)*, Kaye A. Griffiths, DMU{ddagger}, Kerry-Anne Rye, PhD*, Philip J. Barter, MBBS, PhD, FRACP*,|| and David S. Celermajer, MBBS, PhD, FRACP*,{ddagger},||,*
* The Heart Research Institute, Sydney, Australia
{dagger} Department of Medicine, University of Adelaide, Adelaide, Australia
{ddagger} Department of Cardiology, Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Sydney, Australia
§ Division of Medicine, Karolinska Institutet, Danderyd University Hospital, Stockholm, Sweden
|| Department of Medicine, University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia.
Manuscript received November 23, 2005; revised manuscript received April 13, 2006, accepted April 18, 2006.
OBJECTIVES: The purpose of this study was to investigate the influence of dietary fatty acids on the anti-inflammatory properties of high-density lipoproteins (HDL) and vascular function.
BACKGROUND: The effect of dietary fatty acids on atherogenesis remains uncertain.
METHODS: Fourteen adults consumed an isocaloric meal containing either a polyunsaturated or a saturated fat on 2 occasions. The effects of post-prandial HDL on endothelial cell expression of intercellular adhesion molecule-1 (ICAM-1) and vascular cell adhesion molecule-1 (VCAM-1) were determined. Flow-mediated dilation (FMD) and microvascular reactivity were assessed before and 3 and 6 h after the meal.
RESULTS: Plasma triglycerides, insulin, and nonesterified fatty acids rose after the meals. The HDL collected 6 h after the saturated meal were less effective than HDL isolated from fasting plasma in terms of their ability to inhibit expression of ICAM-1 and VCAM-1, whereas HDL collected 6 h after the polyunsaturated meal had an inhibitory activity that was greater than that of HDL collected from fasting plasma (p < 0.004 and p = 0.01 for comparison of effect of meals on ICAM-1 and VCAM-1, respectively). Post-hyperemic microvascular flow significantly increased at 3 h after the polyunsaturated meal by 45 ± 14% and by 21 ± 11% after the saturated meal. The FMD decreased 3 h after the saturated meal by 2.2 ± 0.9% (p < 0.05 compared with baseline) and by 0.9 ± 1% after the polyunsaturated meal.
CONCLUSIONS: Consumption of a saturated fat reduces the anti-inflammatory potential of HDL and impairs arterial endothelial function. In contrast, the anti-inflammatory activity of HDL improves after consumption of polyunsaturated fat. These findings highlight novel mechanisms by which different dietary fatty acids may influence key atherogenic processes.
ONE high sat fat meal can f^ck you up. ONE!
Can you imagine TEN YEARS of 3 high fat meals per day + snacks??!! How about 20, 30, 40!!!
No wonder cardiac surgeons are millionaires 5 months out of school! They get paid by people like YOU.
Interesting... COCONUT OIL (fatty acid composition: 89.6% saturated fat, 5.8% monounsaturated, and 1.9% polyunsaturated fat) was used , last time i looked it up coconut oil isn't from animal source
i come down on the side of killsunshine although not as strident. i too think red meat is bad and try to only eat a plant based diet. i am not totally anti meat because we eat a lot of fish. i almost never buy red meat for home preperation but will ocassionally have a prime rib when we eat out.
the evidence is pretty conclusive that red meat and dairy is bad for adults.
+1
Wait, you giving him a +1 when he said he eats fish and also eats Prime Rib sometimes??...LoL
It's all about MODERATION MODERATION MODERATION
Quote from killthesunshine:
OBJECTIVES: The purpose of this study was to investigate the influence of dietary fatty acids on the anti-inflammatory properties of high-density lipoproteins (HDL) and vascular function.
BACKGROUND: The effect of dietary fatty acids on atherogenesis remains uncertain.
METHODS: Fourteen adults consumed an isocaloric meal containing either a polyunsaturated or a saturated fat on 2 occasions. The effects of post-prandial HDL on endothelial cell expression of intercellular adhesion molecule-1 (ICAM-1) and vascular cell adhesion molecule-1 (VCAM-1) were determined. Flow-mediated dilation (FMD) and microvascular reactivity were assessed before and 3 and 6 h after the meal.
RESULTS: Plasma triglycerides, insulin, and nonesterified fatty acids rose after the meals. The HDL collected 6 h after the saturated meal were less effective than HDL isolated from fasting plasma in terms of their ability to inhibit expression of ICAM-1 and VCAM-1, whereas HDL collected 6 h after the polyunsaturated meal had an inhibitory activity that was greater than that of HDL collected from fasting plasma (p < 0.004 and p = 0.01 for comparison of effect of meals on ICAM-1 and VCAM-1, respectively). Post-hyperemic microvascular flow significantly increased at 3 h after the polyunsaturated meal by 45 ± 14% and by 21 ± 11% after the saturated meal. The FMD decreased 3 h after the saturated meal by 2.2 ± 0.9% (p < 0.05 compared with baseline) and by 0.9 ± 1% after the polyunsaturated meal.
CONCLUSIONS: Consumption of a saturated fat reduces the anti-inflammatory potential of HDL and impairs arterial endothelial function. In contrast, the anti-inflammatory activity of HDL improves after consumption of polyunsaturated fat. These findings highlight novel mechanisms by which different dietary fatty acids may influence key atherogenic processes.
ONE high sat fat meal can f^ck you up. ONE!
Can you imagine TEN YEARS of 3 high fat meals per day + snacks??!! How about 20, 30, 40!!!
No wonder cardiac surgeons are millionaires 5 months out of school! They get paid by people like YOU.
Interesting... COCONUT OIL (fatty acid composition: 89.6% saturated fat, 5.8% monounsaturated, and 1.9% polyunsaturated fat) was used , last time i looked it up coconut oil isn't from animal source
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I do not eat 3 high fat meal every day, and do not say coconut oil is from the animal. You try to say that is what I think.
Ok, here is the review of the study you post above.
I have to do 2 posts because it tell me no more than 1000 characters. Here is the first.
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âOne High-Saturated Fat Meal Can Be Bad,â âSaturated Fat Blocks Beneficial Effect of HDL,â âSaturated Fat Bad for Arteriesââthese are just a few of the hundreds of headlines that rocked the world after the publication of a new study published in the August 15th, 2006 issue of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology. This study received instant international attention and created quite a stir around the world. The media reported that the study provided positive proof that saturated fat contributed to the development of heart disease, indicating that even a single meal containing saturated fat was harmful. To make matters worse the saturated fat used in the study was coconut oil.
People were frightened. Many of them had been eating coconut oil by the spoonful faithfully for some time. Now the media was abuzz with the dangers of saturated fat and coconut oil. Anti-saturated fat promoters proudly announced, âSee we told you so.â
As soon as the news reports were broadcast I was swarmed with inquiries. People wanted to know if there was any truth to this study. Most felt there was something wrong with it, but many were worried that they were damaging their health by eating coconut oil. I had to get to the bottom of it. And I did. This is the result of my investigation.
The study generated numerous articles blasting saturated fats and coconut oil as harmful and dangerous. If by chance you missed all of the fanfare, below is a typical article published in response to this study.
A small but apparently significant study, published in the August 15th, 2006 Journal of the American College of Cardiology, shows that eating just one high-saturated fat meal can hinder the ability of HDL or âgoodâ cholesterol from protecting against clogged arteries.
Fourteen healthy Australian volunteers between the ages of 18 and 40 were fed two special meals one month apart. One of the meals was high in saturated fat while the other was high in polyunsaturated fat.
Three hours after eating the saturated fat meal, the artery linings were unable to expand sufficiently to increase blood flow to the bodyâs tissues and organs. The arteries showed some reduced ability after the polyunsaturated meal, but these results were deemed not statistically significant.
After six hours, researchers noted that the anti-inflammatory qualities of HDL cholesterol were reduced after eating the saturated fat meal, whereas they improved after eating the polyunsaturated meal.
Its long been thought that diets high in saturated fat tend to clog our arteries with plaque, putting us at increased risk of heart attack and stroke. If this is what one meal can do in a few hours, imagine what a lifelong diet of high-saturated fat food will do. This study seems to show not only that the negative effects of eating certain fats is more immediate than we thought, but also that the positive effects of HDL cholesterol in our bodies is dependent on other factors. And for those who promote coconut oil as a healthier kind saturate fat, since itâs a plant âbased saturated fat, this study may be a setback.
Sounds pretty convincing doesnât it? No wonder people were frightened. If you believed the media, this study provided the âproofâ that saturated fat promotes heart disease and that even a single meal containing coconut oil causes great harm. Now, you must keep in mind that reporters like to sensationalize everything. In so doing they jump to conclusions that may not be even remotely accurate. I had to get a copy of the study to see what it was really saying. What I found was that the news stories were blown way out of proportion. The study in no way showed that saturated fat (i.e., coconut oil) caused or contributed or promoted heart disease.
What happened is a classic example of biased research and media hype. I learned long ago to question the results of any study reported in the media. Reporters try to sensationalize ...............
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