The risk of giving a prop firm your money

Basically, when you give someone any substantial amount of money, unless you have a watertight legal agreement or they have a history of paying money back to customers/creditors reliably, then you are likely to have troubles getting your money back again. And really, you should have both - a watertight loan agreement, *and* a very trustworthy borrower.

This principle applies everywhere - business, strangers, friends in need, friends not in need, close blood relatives, the pope, multi-millionaires, multinational corporations, everyone.
 
No matter how the firm is structured,BD,LLC,whatever,it all comes down to the principles,I think.The guys running Epiphany Trading LLC seem pretty straight up for what it's worth.
 
Quote from TRYKtrading:

yes, they should, but they're not.

they're called lawyers. and you hire them to sue the fuck out a company when they breach their contracts, or "bait-and-switch" from what they promised to what they actually do, or if their servers go down and your trades get blasted to hell, or you get stopped out on a quoting error, or the fills are delayed because they are trading against your positions on a centralised server before they get routed to the ecn, or by delaying your orders to stop you out on a larger position...all kinds of reputable, commendable, respectable shit like that.

you file suit, you take them to court, and you rip the firm apart limb from limb until your money bleeds out back into your pocket, and your legal fees are paid.

BUT before you worry about having to do that, you get everything in writing, or record it on your iphone sitting in your pocket, when they refuse to answer it in emails that are automatically archived for sec review.

in short, no firm you meet with, no manager, no principal, no trader, their word's mean nothing unless it's backed up in writing and signed and witnessed. thus, why most account agreements are 80 pages thick. they'll cover their asses, while fucking yours in the process.

case in point: dimension.

let me tell you what the "managing" partner (and this guy is probably reading this and cursing me to allah) told me when i asked why he wouldn't sign an addendum relieving me of additional liability for other traders i referred to the firm, or were assigned to me by the firm to train on behalf of the firm (and i am paraphrasing):

"well, you're not like most guys we get in here. you're the only one that's ever actually read our sec filings before signing their contract. and most guys don't threaten to sue or file complaints with the sec when there are problems. most guys, well, um...get fucked over and leave."

confusing indeed.


So do you currently work with Dimmension? Do you reccomend them?


I personally have faith in some prop firms. Most of whom charge a .003 per share commission.
 
Quote from DEM BONES:

No matter how the firm is structured,BD,LLC,whatever,it all comes down to the principles,I think.The guys running Epiphany Trading LLC seem pretty straight up for what it's worth.

Epiphany sure seems above board, yet won't answer a simple question as to why their business model is exempt from the registration requirements of an exchange. Just try asking, perhaps you'll have better luck than I did.
 
Quote from Diego11:

So do you currently work with Dimmension? Do you reccomend them? I personally have faith in some prop firms. Most of whom charge a .003 per share commission.

lol.

lol.

so do i. some...not many.

0.0025 is better.
 
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