The Rise And Fall Of America

If there another certainty other than death, it is that the US will make a complete mess over it's foreign affairs.
Thrashing about bombing people isn't really the right course of action, is it ?
Wake up guys. Your politicians have blown it. Trillions wasted in the ME. Makes even the bad guys look moderate.
 
If there another certainty other than death, it is that the US will make a complete mess over it's foreign affairs.
Thrashing about bombing people isn't really the right course of action, is it ?
Wake up guys. Your politicians have blown it. Trillions wasted in the ME. Makes even the bad guys look moderate.

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* Pentagon Suggests Countering Devastating Cyberattacks With ...
https://www.nytimes.com/.../us/.../pentagon-nuclear-review-cyberattack-trump.html
16 Jan 2018 ... But three current and former senior government officials said large cyberattacks against the United States and its interests would be included in the kinds of foreign aggression that could justify a nuclear response — though they stressed there would be other, more conventional options for retaliation.

* Pentagon mulls nuclear response to cyberattacks: report | TheHill
thehill.com/.../369283-pentagon-mulls-nuclear-response-to-cyber-attacks-report - Cached
17 Jan 2018 ... The newspaper reported Wednesday that the draft document, the Nuclear Posture Review, provides for possible nuclear responses to devastating cyberattacks on U.S critical infrastructure. The suggestion marks a dramatic expansion of what the U.S. believes warrants a first use of nuclear weapons, the ...

* Pentagon considers nuclear response to retaliate for large cyber ...
https://www.csoonline.com/.../penta...nse-to-retaliate-for-large-cyber-attacks.html - Cached
6 days ago ... Notice that “cyber attack” is not specifically mentioned, but officials who asked to remain anonymous told The New York Times that “large cyber attacks” could warrant a nuclear response. Three current and former senior government officials said large cyber attacks against the United States and its interests ...

* Really? We're Gonna Nuke Russia for a Cyberattack? - POLITICO ...
https://www.politico.com/.../donald-trump-russia-nuclear-cyberattack-216477 - Cached
6 days ago ... Sanger and Broad acknowledge that the draft, which was first published by the Huffington Post, “does not explicitly say that a crippling cyberattack against the United States would be among the extreme circumstances” that would motivate the administration to initiate nuclear war. But, citing former and ...
 
Imagine a 2% increase in pollution per worker each in the US and China. You end up with completely untenable levels in China. And it's more like a 4% increase in pollution per 2% increase in productivity in China and a .5% per 2% increase in the U.S. Imagine a 2% increase in social security/Medicaid type obligations per person in China vs the U.S. Imagine a 2% increase in any of the myriad things that cost GDP vs contribute. It's expensive to run a modern, healthy society and China has yet to bear most of those costs while reaping the benefit of unsustainable growth. And that doesn't even scratch the surface of the fact that most of China's growth is based on exports. To modify the old saying, if you owe the bank a million dollars the bank owns you, if you owe the bank a trillion dollars you own the bank.

Will China's economy continue to grow, I presume so although Japan showed that isn't even a given. Can you extrapolate out from today's position using past growth acceleration? I'd maintain absolutely not. As China faces it's unfunded societal obligations it's growth rate will asymptomatically approach that of every other first world country.

Malthus would cheer your opinion, Sig, but ol' Julian Simon
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Resource

would simply chuckle his happy chuckle, and then show you the facts.

:)
 
Malthus would cheer your opinion, Sig, but ol' Julian Simon
51aWXFJ10TL._SX300_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Resource

would simply chuckle his happy chuckle, and then show you the facts.

:)
I actually don't disagree with Simon, although I admit that like Ehrlich I've had to come around to his point of view (I'm not sure if Ehrlich did come around or was just a good sport paying off his bet). His assertion is that as demand goes up, the price goes up, and that leads to innovation and increased effort at finding more of a commodity so there's never really a shortage, which has generally played out since he wrote the original book. It's especially applicable to pollution and things like renewable energy and efficiency.

My assertion is much different, I'm simply saying that if the whole world, operating under "Simon's Law" we'll call it, has a steady state growth rate of around 2%, then it's not possible for a China or India to have an average of 6% growth rate forever. The factors Simon lists, as I recall from admittedly a while ago read, apply equally to a China as a U.S. If "Simon's Law" is allowing for 2% growth, and if anything China and India are under-innovating the rest of the world, there's no reason to think they could somehow take advantage of the factors Simon iterates at 3X the rate of the rest of the world. At the point things like pollution and underfunded pension liability, and the rest of the factors the rest of us deal with catch up to them, their grown goes to 2% like everyone else's. And I'd submit we're rapidly approaching that point, although I'll be the first to admit that I'm not expert enough to know exactly when that will be.
 
I actually don't disagree with Simon, although I admit that like Ehrlich I've had to come around to his point of view (I'm not sure if Ehrlich did come around or was just a good sport paying off his bet). His assertion is that as demand goes up, the price goes up, and that leads to innovation and increased effort at finding more of a commodity so there's never really a shortage, which has generally played out since he wrote the original book. It's especially applicable to pollution and things like renewable energy and efficiency.

My assertion is much different, I'm simply saying that if the whole world, operating under "Simon's Law" we'll call it, has a steady state growth rate of around 2%, then it's not possible for a China or India to have an average of 6% growth rate forever. The factors Simon lists, as I recall from admittedly a while ago read, apply equally to a China as a U.S. If "Simon's Law" is allowing for 2% growth, and if anything China and India are under-innovating the rest of the world, there's no reason to think they could somehow take advantage of the factors Simon iterates at 3X the rate of the rest of the world. At the point things like pollution and underfunded pension liability, and the rest of the factors the rest of us deal with catch up to them, their grown goes to 2% like everyone else's. And I'd submit we're rapidly approaching that point, although I'll be the first to admit that I'm not expert enough to know exactly when that will be.
My my ...Drew ....(aka pistol pete the regressive) how thou art studied....
 
My assertion is much different, I'm simply saying that if the whole world, operating under "Simon's Law" we'll call it, has a steady state growth rate of around 2%, then it's not possible for a China or India to have an average of 6% growth rate forever.


Who of us disagrees with *that*?!?

The USA had been such squeakers for so long, but had built up such physical and intellectual capital, that T.Roosevelt lobbied successfully (I think he was SecNav at the time??) to have the U.S. fleet circumnavigate the globe, just 'showing the flag' over a Great White Fleet. That didn't mean we could grow like that forever, and we didn't. We had a Great Depression from which only the build-up for WWII extricated us. (I mean, Sheeesh! IBM, White-Westinghouse, International Harvester, Singer ("Singer!!!") were all recruited to do triple shifts making M1 Garands for us/allies, and Mosin-Nagants for the Ruskies. THAT's a jobs program for ya.)

But yeah, the most sigmoidal of growth curves will eventually turn. "No doubt."
 
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