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The Right of Return
- Thread starter 2cents
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well, its just that its massively annoying... i mean go give some shit to any racist punk out there and you'll have my blessing but...
do you guys want to get out of this shit or not??? it doesn't seem so.... do you guys think that "the situation is under control" in the middle east??? it doesn't seem so either...
do you guys want to get out of this shit or not??? it doesn't seem so.... do you guys think that "the situation is under control" in the middle east??? it doesn't seem so either...
Quote from 2cents:
do you guys want to get out of this shit or not??? it doesn't seem so.... do you guys think that "the situation is under control" in the middle east??? it doesn't seem so either...
No one likes the situation. We've tried oslo and camp david, but we have our red lines. The right of return is one huge red line, that I belive that most Israelis will be ready to fight over it, if war will be enforced upon us.
"Under control"? When was the situation ever in control? How can you have control over people and their beliefs? How can you control organizations and countries inflaming the situation like Iran, Seria, like al-qaida, hizbollah, hamas, Islamic Jihad, Islamic brothers, all wants us dead or at list not here? giving them what they want is not the way.
look, Iran's a different animal altogether, there is some pretty bad US history there... ever heard of Mossadegh? plus they are persian and shia... Syria (i am not a supporter...) has had its problems with the Muslim Brotherhood, or vice-versa... ever heard of Hama? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_MassacreQuote from sandaq:
No one likes the situation. We've tried oslo and camp david, but we have our red lines. The right of return is one huge red line, that I belive that most Israelis will be ready to fight over it, if war will be enforced upon us.
"Under control"? When was the situation ever in control? How can you have control over people and their beliefs? How can you control organizations and countries inflaming the situation like Iran, Seria, like al-qaida, hizbollah, hamas, Islamic Jihad, Islamic brothers, all wants us dead or at list not here? giving them what they want is not the way.
then they changed course...
but lets not lump all those problem spots together, cause its not gonna help and, if i follow your line of speech for a sec, "thats what THEY want"... ok?
in addition, even arab countries like algeria (not quite a marvelous democracy but...) etc which are not particularly active in the conflict are having their own "problems", and pretty gory ones and on a pretty big scale if you didn't know... i mean its not like you are the only ones who are facing the threat of islamic extremism... Israel is at war??ok, we know that... but the rest of the world is at war too, ok?... heads up!
now, if you re-read my opening post calmly, and/or my latest reply to dddooo who was overdoing it on the "idiot post" theme, perhaps you'll see what i mean... i firmly believe that Jerusalem, relative to how to handle the right of return, is a non-issue... therefore lets deal with it (RoR/Comp)... and in a more genuine / convincing manner than was attempted in 2000...
Huh? You're the frigging idiot who's suggesting that. What else do you think you are suggesting, what else do you think the title of this thread means? Let me help you out cause you're obviously too dumb to draw logical conclusions - the right of return means 4+ million refugees will flood Israel. You're not fooling anyone with your boring rants and transparent attempts to speak out of both sides of your mouth. Financial compensation as the alternative to the right of return was offered to Arafat by Clinton/Barak and rejected without a counter-offer, the arab world is not ready to give up on the right of return.Quote from 2cents:
The fact remains that accepting 4 millions refuges into Israel will alter it's fabric of sociaty and not even the Arab-Israeli citicens want that.
and which friggin' idiot other than you is suggesting that, brickhead???
You're certainly not alone, there are a lot of frigging idiots advocating the right of return, the entire arab/muslim world, both the Arab street and the Arab leadership are demanding that.
You can go back to posting the rants of King Abdullah, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden or any other representative of the arab world you find credible. First of all they lie, Palestine never belonged to arabs, it belonged toTurkey and later to the British Empire. According to a huge number of independent and credible sources Palestine was a sparsely populated desert when the Jews started to move there. More importantly Israel will keep existing as a democratic jewish state and the right of return is a non-starter, the efforts of useful idiots like you to keep the hope of the right of return alive will only prolong the sufferings of the palestinian people and delay the creation of a palestinian state.
Cornered by what? By his complete inablity to explain whether he wants the right of return or he wants a compensation in lieu of the right of return? And if it's the later why is he bashing Israel when they in fact offered this compensation and it was rejected by Arafat.Quote from WAEL012000:
I see dddooo is being cornered and exposed again!!!
Or was I cornered by his purpoted support of international law and the UN...except when it was the Arab world that violated virtually all provisions of international laws and multiple UN resolutions, then it was OK, understandable and the fault of the western powers.
Or maybe I was cornered by Abdullah's article he posted cause if an arab dictator states something - it must be true.
Get a clue Wael, your palestinians brethren are murdering each other in Gaza, murdering the Lebanese in Lebanon, murdering Israelis in Israel. They were expelled from Kuwait and other gulf countries, no one wants them, certainly not Israel. With friends like 2cents and Z10, with political parties like Hamas and Fatah you are never going to have a country. Nor you deserve to.
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Cornered by what? By his complete inablity to explain whether he wants the right of return or he wants a compensation in lieu of the right of return? And if it's the later why is he bashing Israel when they in fact offered this compensation and it was rejected by Arafat.
Stop it! stop lying! I exposed you so many times with this stupid lie! A lie similar to the lies that Muslims had a hand with the Rwanda genocide and that there were UN resolutions violated by Palestinians. For god sake man; do you have to expose yourself in such a stupid way???
Arafat did not reject the compensation. It is your Barak that weaseled himself out of the agreement by sending Shron to al Aqsa mosque to cause a riot there. It was your Barak's intention to weasel himself out of it by killing 32 Palestinians in the following three days even though these Palestinians protested by throwing shoes and chairs only.
Arafat even agreed (against our protest) to allow the international community foot out the bill for a crime you committed; something that we thought that it could lead to free the zionist entity form any responsibility of the catastrophe they caused.
You are, once again, proving that Yassir Arafat was wrong and we were right!!
You are a true Brooklyn zionist dddooo
Quote from WAEL012000:
Arafat did not reject the compensation. It is your Barak that weaseled himself out of the agreement
At Camp David, the Palestinians maintained their traditional position that the right of return be implemented...According to U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, some of the Palestinian negotiators were willing to discuss privately a limit on the number of refugees who would be allowed to return to Israel
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Ehud Barak offered Arafat an eventual 91% (after many years - see section on territory) of the West Bank, and all of the Gaza Strip, with Palestinian control over Eastern Jerusalem as the capital of the new Palestinian state; in addition, all refugees could apply for compensation of property from an international fund to which Israel would contribute along with other countries. But before any gradual Israeli withdrawal, all Palestinian terrorist infrastructure must be dismantled. Arafat, however, refused.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit