Quote from MKTrader:
Yeah, outside a few free-spirited, live-off-the-land ex-hippies in Vermont, the Left absolutely hates this idea. But it makes perfect sense. Let's just peacefully secede. The collectivists can have Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Oprah, Soros and 90% of Hollywood to fund their utopia. We'll see how long those ideologues practice what they preach.
Quote from MKTrader:
You're right. The TBTF financial institutions, Monsanto, etc., are all enabled by the gov't. I wouldn't say they "steal" from lower/middle classes, but there's little competition for some of their goods/services (thanks to them pushing out smaller competition via regs & other means from the gov't).
Quote from logic_man:
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If you allocate all federal spending by income, the top payers of income tax pay far more into the federal government than they get out in benefit, even at today's rates. The bottom 80% by income pay in less than they get in benefits, so I can see why they don't complain, but I get screwed by thousands of dollars every year. What, I'm supposed to just ignore that fact? Why should the random fact that I was born in a certain country cost me money?
Quote from logic_man:
The obvious solution is to split the country into two or more separate sovereign countries, each with its own pro-rated share of the current debt.
Let you parasites figure out how to make your socialistic BS work on your own dime. I don't even want to debate you any more, I just don't want to live under the same governance structure as you. I'd prefer that your politics mattered as much to me as the average Canadian's politics.
Seriously, for what earthly reason is the fiction that this is one country being maintained? The amount of time wasted debating things that aren't really legitimately debatable is ridiculous and the idea that you could ever say anything that I would consider even in the ballpark of rational is absurd.
I consider you and your kind as foreign to me as I consider a native of any other country foreign. Heck, I actually don't even consider you a human being and I hope you DIAF. Then, I hope they bring you back to life at the hospital and then the hospital burns down and you die a second time. Only, the second time, I hope your family is standing by your hospital bed and dies with you.
Quote from logic_man:
If they are going to take out so much in tax, I should get dollar-for-dollar back in benefits.
Quote from logic_man:
The obvious solution is to split the country into two or more separate sovereign countries, each with its own pro-rated share of the current debt.
Let you parasites figure out how to make your socialistic BS work on your own dime. I don't even want to debate you any more, I just don't want to live under the same governance structure as you. I'd prefer that your politics mattered as much to me as the average Canadian's politics.
Seriously, for what earthly reason is the fiction that this is one country being maintained? The amount of time wasted debating things that aren't really legitimately debatable is ridiculous and the idea that you could ever say anything that I would consider even in the ballpark of rational is absurd.
I consider you and your kind as foreign to me as I consider a native of any other country foreign. Heck, I actually don't even consider you a human being and I hope you DIAF. Then, I hope they bring you back to life at the hospital and then the hospital burns down and you die a second time. Only, the second time, I hope your family is standing by your hospital bed and dies with you.
Quote from MKTrader:
So the gov't forcing one person to give a little less money in income taxes (while "the poor" continue to pay nothing) = theft from the poor? Absurd. People are really getting brainwashed.
Once again, Mencken's definition of a demagogue = Obama to the core: "one who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots."
As for Warren Buffett's secretary paying a higher tax rate than he does, I'm not for that either. The whole system--with all its loopholes, special favors and social engineering attempts--has its own absurd results. I'm for scrapping the whole thing and replacing it with some type of flat tax. But it's equally absurd that people who don't work at all can game the system and live better than lower-middle class folk who work their tails off. Also, the Warren Buffett thing is kind of a red herring--he isn't the typical rich guy. The small business owner who makes $220K/year pays a lot more taxes than his secretrary. [/B]
Quote from logic_man:
Yeah, big problem with that is that there are only so many government services a Warren Buffett needs, so asking him to pay the same rate as his secretary means that he's vastly overpaying relative to the level of service he requires.
If you allocate all federal spending by income, the top payers of income tax pay far more into the federal government than they get out in benefit, even at today's rates. The bottom 80% by income pay in less than they get in benefits, so I can see why they don't complain, but I get screwed by thousands of dollars every year. What, I'm supposed to just ignore that fact? Why should the random fact that I was born in a certain country cost me money?
Put simply, because of people like you with your petty envy, making a high income in the US is a negative proposition vis-a-vis value for your tax dollars.
I get value for my money in all other transactions, I don't think government should be any different. If they are going to take out so much in tax, And don't give me some "patriotism, blah, blah, blah". The Left killed patriotism and you don't get to use it when it's convenient to your argument.
I should get dollar-for-dollar back in benefits.
Quote from bone:
The real answer is substance abuse and personal accountability.
In terms of class warfare, I would suggest that the OP examine which political party perpetuates the class warfare demogoguery, and which political party uses tax dollars to bribe voters using entitlements. In fact, examine the premise behind the 'Dream Act'.