I advocate obeying the laws my country, so your comments are of course absurd...
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The Religion of Peace - humping every ten year old in sight
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Ahhh, so you are saying that what is lawful is relative to the time and place...
Thanks for confirming that morality is relative to culture, time, place, etc. and therefore is not absolute...
Thanks for confirming that morality is relative to culture, time, place, etc. and therefore is not absolute...
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
non sequitur and not true.. this was the case 3000 years ago when the law was made, and the average life expectancy was 35-40 years... but not now... a swing and a miss...
go find me a rabbi that advocates this... and if you can find one then i can guarantee that this rabbi is utterly rejected by the jewish community at large... i would be surprised if you could even find one that exists...
I live in America and abide by the law...
You live in an imaginary world of moral absolutes that have nothing to do with any absolute law...
Women's Rights Group in Israel Working to Raise Legal Marriage Age
Monday, November 26 2007 @ 10:55 AM EST
Edited by: Kandy Ringer
MPs, activists battle to raise minimum marriage age to 18
BBSNews 2007-11-26 -- JERUSALEM (IRIN) A coalition of members of parliament and women's rights activists have joined hands in an attempt to raise Israel's minimum age for marriage to 18, saying that young wedlock harms the girls' health and violates their right to education.
Raida Biady, who married at age 16 and said she tells girls not to marry young, recently founded a legal program to help women with family issues.
Raida Biady, who married at age 16 and said she tells girls not to marry young, recently founded a legal program to help women with family issues.
Image Courtesy: © Shabtai Gold/IRIN
For the image shown above in a larger size, please see: Raida Biady, who married at age 16 and said she tells girls not to marry young, recently founded a legal program to help women with family issues.
More BBSNews images are available in BBSNews Photos.
The practice of young weddings is mostly prevalent amongst Arab Muslims and to a lesser extent Orthodox Jews, according to the Working Group for Equality in Personal Status Issues and experts who complain that because these two groups are marginalized in society the problem is ignored.
Currently, 17 is the legal limit, without a special court order, and about 1,700 girls marry at this age annually. Each year there are around 200 known cases of girls aged 16 or younger getting married. More underage incidents probably occur but never reach the public domain, the Working Group and social workers said. (The Working Group is a large umbrella coalition of many organisations and individuals, including non-governmental organizations, lawyers, shelter administrators and social workers).
According to these experts, what appears to be happening is that girls as young as 14 or 15 are married off, but their matrimony is only legally registered after they turn 17.
The police do not enforce the existing laws, the Working Group charged, but two representatives from the Israeli Police Youth Division told a Knesset (parliament) panel on 20 November that generally they do not have enough leads to catch the criminals. Two cases have been presented to the state prosecutor's office in recent years, they reported.
Maqbula Nassr, a social worker, said at the panel that officials in the religious courts are involved in the scam, storing away marriage contracts until the girls reach 17.
Right to education
"A 17-year-old is still a child, and should be in school," Michael Malchior, who helped draft the proposed new law, told the panel. He pointed out that Israel's education law requires 17-year-olds to be in school.
"By raising the age one year, we guarantee that more girls will finish high school," said Sonia Boulos, an attorney.
Activists say that if a girl finishes high school, she will want to continue studying and the actual age of marriage will slowly rise by several years. Women will get better jobs and become more independent.
"I'd tell any girl not to get married until she's older," Raida Biady, from Israel's northern city of Haifa, told IRIN. She married at 16.
"I liked to read and write. I studied until 10th grade. But after the wedding, I discovered my new husband was illiterate. He stopped my studies," she said.
Baidy, after divorcing her abusive spouse three years ago, went back to school and founded a legal program to help women with family issues.
Health issues
Another woman, Zainab, said she was forced to marry a man at 15. She attempted suicide several times, trying to escape the arranged marriage.
Other health concerns over young marriages were also raised by a representative from the Ministry of Health, as well as Dr Ahmed Tibi, a Knesset member.
Under age marriages lead to "many young pregnancies, which are both physically and mentally damaging", said Tibi, a gynecologist by profession.
Batya Artman, the legal adviser to Israel's Ministry of Social Affairs, backed the activists, and said various UN conventions, including the Convention on the Rights of the Child, to which Israel is a signatory, demand the age be raised.
Religious opposition
The main opposition to the proposal comes from Israel's Jewish ultra-orthodox parties, mainly Shas, a member of the governing coalition, which used its clout to have the ministerial committee on legislation reject the proposal, making it harder to pass in Knesset.
Shas Knesset member Nisim Zeev told IRIN he had considered promoting legislation to lower the legal age to 16.
"If a girl says she's ready and she wants to marry, who are we to say she can't? It's her right," he said. In most cases it was the girl who was young and "girls are more mature than boys".
Whether devout Muslims or Jews, experts say the problem is the difficulty conservative circles have in dealing with Israel 's modernity, including sexual activity at a young age.
However, Malchior, an ultra Orthodox rabbi himself, refuted any claims that for the sake of religion the age should remain below 18: "It's not against Jews or Muslims, but it's the best thing for society, for the children," he said.
You live in an imaginary world of moral absolutes that have nothing to do with any absolute law...
Women's Rights Group in Israel Working to Raise Legal Marriage Age
Monday, November 26 2007 @ 10:55 AM EST
Edited by: Kandy Ringer
MPs, activists battle to raise minimum marriage age to 18
BBSNews 2007-11-26 -- JERUSALEM (IRIN) A coalition of members of parliament and women's rights activists have joined hands in an attempt to raise Israel's minimum age for marriage to 18, saying that young wedlock harms the girls' health and violates their right to education.
Raida Biady, who married at age 16 and said she tells girls not to marry young, recently founded a legal program to help women with family issues.
Raida Biady, who married at age 16 and said she tells girls not to marry young, recently founded a legal program to help women with family issues.
Image Courtesy: © Shabtai Gold/IRIN
For the image shown above in a larger size, please see: Raida Biady, who married at age 16 and said she tells girls not to marry young, recently founded a legal program to help women with family issues.
More BBSNews images are available in BBSNews Photos.
The practice of young weddings is mostly prevalent amongst Arab Muslims and to a lesser extent Orthodox Jews, according to the Working Group for Equality in Personal Status Issues and experts who complain that because these two groups are marginalized in society the problem is ignored.
Currently, 17 is the legal limit, without a special court order, and about 1,700 girls marry at this age annually. Each year there are around 200 known cases of girls aged 16 or younger getting married. More underage incidents probably occur but never reach the public domain, the Working Group and social workers said. (The Working Group is a large umbrella coalition of many organisations and individuals, including non-governmental organizations, lawyers, shelter administrators and social workers).
According to these experts, what appears to be happening is that girls as young as 14 or 15 are married off, but their matrimony is only legally registered after they turn 17.
The police do not enforce the existing laws, the Working Group charged, but two representatives from the Israeli Police Youth Division told a Knesset (parliament) panel on 20 November that generally they do not have enough leads to catch the criminals. Two cases have been presented to the state prosecutor's office in recent years, they reported.
Maqbula Nassr, a social worker, said at the panel that officials in the religious courts are involved in the scam, storing away marriage contracts until the girls reach 17.
Right to education
"A 17-year-old is still a child, and should be in school," Michael Malchior, who helped draft the proposed new law, told the panel. He pointed out that Israel's education law requires 17-year-olds to be in school.
"By raising the age one year, we guarantee that more girls will finish high school," said Sonia Boulos, an attorney.
Activists say that if a girl finishes high school, she will want to continue studying and the actual age of marriage will slowly rise by several years. Women will get better jobs and become more independent.
"I'd tell any girl not to get married until she's older," Raida Biady, from Israel's northern city of Haifa, told IRIN. She married at 16.
"I liked to read and write. I studied until 10th grade. But after the wedding, I discovered my new husband was illiterate. He stopped my studies," she said.
Baidy, after divorcing her abusive spouse three years ago, went back to school and founded a legal program to help women with family issues.
Health issues
Another woman, Zainab, said she was forced to marry a man at 15. She attempted suicide several times, trying to escape the arranged marriage.
Other health concerns over young marriages were also raised by a representative from the Ministry of Health, as well as Dr Ahmed Tibi, a Knesset member.
Under age marriages lead to "many young pregnancies, which are both physically and mentally damaging", said Tibi, a gynecologist by profession.
Batya Artman, the legal adviser to Israel's Ministry of Social Affairs, backed the activists, and said various UN conventions, including the Convention on the Rights of the Child, to which Israel is a signatory, demand the age be raised.
Religious opposition
The main opposition to the proposal comes from Israel's Jewish ultra-orthodox parties, mainly Shas, a member of the governing coalition, which used its clout to have the ministerial committee on legislation reject the proposal, making it harder to pass in Knesset.
Shas Knesset member Nisim Zeev told IRIN he had considered promoting legislation to lower the legal age to 16.
"If a girl says she's ready and she wants to marry, who are we to say she can't? It's her right," he said. In most cases it was the girl who was young and "girls are more mature than boys".
Whether devout Muslims or Jews, experts say the problem is the difficulty conservative circles have in dealing with Israel 's modernity, including sexual activity at a young age.
However, Malchior, an ultra Orthodox rabbi himself, refuted any claims that for the sake of religion the age should remain below 18: "It's not against Jews or Muslims, but it's the best thing for society, for the children," he said.
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
so pretty much what you are saying is that if you are in a place where it happens to be legal to fuck children, then it's all good... don't worry zzzenu, we gotcha.... we hear ya loud and clear buddy!!!!
Morality is relative, you confirmed that in the previous post.
Thanks for helping to prove my point that morality is relative to time, place, culture, etc.
The closest thing to a moral absolute is the Golden Rule...
...and as to your idiot comments about lifespan, if age is extended through science to age 200, then the correct marriage should be above 30?
LMAO...
My gosh, you step in it every single time...
Thanks for helping to prove my point that morality is relative to time, place, culture, etc.
The closest thing to a moral absolute is the Golden Rule...
...and as to your idiot comments about lifespan, if age is extended through science to age 200, then the correct marriage should be above 30?
LMAO...
My gosh, you step in it every single time...
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
you are the dumbass constantly preaching about moral relativism... you amaze with your ability to contradict yourself more than any person i have ever known, what i confirmed is that appropriate marriage age is relative to average lifespan, and to shatter your poorly thought example, there were no 80 year old men when that was the law of the land, those 12 year old girls who were married? they were married to 13-14 year old boys... not 80 year old men...
Why not cite Israel as they attempt to change the law based on their concept of readiness of a female, proving once again that morality is relative to time, place, culture, etc.
If you can find a quote from me that says it is fine to fuck a girl of any particular age, post it.
I am in favor of enforcement of the laws of my land, America...in America.
You have noting, nothing at all but the shit that is only your hands after smearing it all over yourself in your attempts to claim I support or don't support laws or morals of another country.
If other countries want to follow the Golden Rule, good for them.
It would be nice if all Americans followed the Golden Rule, for if they did they would not be wasting their time focusing on other cultures when their own culture is so full of sin...
If you can find a quote from me that says it is fine to fuck a girl of any particular age, post it.
I am in favor of enforcement of the laws of my land, America...in America.
You have noting, nothing at all but the shit that is only your hands after smearing it all over yourself in your attempts to claim I support or don't support laws or morals of another country.
If other countries want to follow the Golden Rule, good for them.
It would be nice if all Americans followed the Golden Rule, for if they did they would not be wasting their time focusing on other cultures when their own culture is so full of sin...
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
very curious as to why you would choose to cite israel for this example with their legal age for marriage being 17, when our legal age for marriage here in the states is 15?! just odd that you would choose israel with a higher legal age for marriage than america... what's that about xenu?
lol see in zzzzenu's world, it's fine for muslims to fuck 9 year olds, but horrible for jews to fuck 17 year olds... and he's the one who preaches about moral relativism... TOO FUNNY
Oy vey...
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:
you are a big fan of non sequitur arent you... if science extends the lifespan to 200 yrs then hopefully we would have evolved past having marriage as a legal entity, hopefully we would have finally gotten the who 'separation of church and state' thing down...
Yes, hopefully there aren't any 10 year-old children that appear 'mature beyond their years' in his apartment block.
Z is famous for lying through his teeth, contradicting himself (sometimes within the same post) and evading questions which arise from the content of his posts. However, this is probably the lowest point in his ignominous history here. Please recall, he has been banned from ET at least twice and maybe three time, under the usernames ARogueTrader and Optional777
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2283629#post2283629
Z is famous for lying through his teeth, contradicting himself (sometimes within the same post) and evading questions which arise from the content of his posts. However, this is probably the lowest point in his ignominous history here. Please recall, he has been banned from ET at least twice and maybe three time, under the usernames ARogueTrader and Optional777
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2283629#post2283629
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
I live in America and abide by the law...
<i>(Followed by blatant illegal copyright infringement in the same post.)</i>
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Does that mean you always make sure to sail out to international waters whenever you're in the mood for a little child molestation action? How very commendable of you.