Simply stated, b.s.
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The Religion of Peace - humping every ten year old in sight
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But honour isn't a Middle Eastern cultural trait - it is still prevalent in certain parts of the west, and was a big thing in Anglo Saxon culture until recently. Just look at the number of prominent men who fought duels to the death in the 19th century, before it became illegal and eventually died out. A strong sense of honour and willingness to defend it is a natural part of being human and being a man. The post-1968 pussification of the western male does nothing to alter that fact.
But everyone is part of the same society - the human race here on earth. Unless you think morality has something to do with the number of miles away from you someone lives, then either morality is objective everywhere, or if it is subjective then it is subjective everywhere. Either conclusion means that your position is a nonsense.
If that was true, why is the age of consent higher in the Muslim world, on average, than in the West? A far higher % of Westerner teenagers have sex compared to Muslim teenagers. The punishment for paedos is far worse in the Muslim world than in the West.
Basically you are condemning over 1 billion people you have never met for something that the vast majority of them loathe and do not engage in, and in many cases punish in harsher fashion than you or most of your compatriots. It's not as if there aren't many legitimate flaws with the Muslim world - you could condemn the tacit or active support for suicide bombing, genital mutilation, executing homosexuals and adulterers, criminalising fornication, repressing freedom of speech and religion, death for apostates and so on. Why choose something which has strong evidence again it? It just makes you look like a fool with some kind of axe to grind. If you just have an irrational prejudice against Muslims, why not be honest about it? Just as an open redneck KKK supporter is more honest and worthy of respect than a closet middle class racist, so someone who admits their religious/cultural prejudice is at least debated and given a bit of respect. But a bigot who tries to hide it (and fails dismally) is viewed with universal contempt and gets no respect from anyone. Man up.
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A strong sense of honour and willingness to defend it is a natural part of being human and being a man. The post-1968 pussification of the western male does nothing to alter that fact.
I get what you're saying, but the Middle Eastern priority of honor is taken to extremes truly unseen in the First World.
Out there, if your daughter or sister has pre-marital sex, the Middle Eastern man is required to publicly execute her to restore his 'family honor'.
Presumably because it's felt that below a certain age, kids are vulnerable to exploitation and don't know enough to make certain decisions. After all, we generally don't let 11 year olds vote, sign contracts, work in full-time employment and so on.
The process by which a child turns into a teenager and then an adult is obviously one of degree, however the pragmatics of the law mean that some arbitrary age of consent/responsibility/adulthood has to be chosen. Different societies have different ages, but most are somewhere between 16 and 21, and so we can postulate that an age significantly below that (e.g. 10, 11, 12,) would be "beyond the pale" for adults to have sex with even when taking cultural differences into account. Equally on the other end, locking up 17 year olds for fucking 20 year olds is dumb IMO but clearly many people don't agree with me on that. Yet even the most conservative person would not advocate preventing two 25 year olds having sex purely on the basis of age.
Thus while there are differing cultural standards, that does not imply that there are *no* universal standards. I am not aware of any civilised country with rule of law that permits adults to have sex with 10 year olds.
I think you'll find that is against the law in Muslim countries.
By contrast, in the USA it's perfectly legal to use photographs or videotape of a woman nude, even if obtained by force, theft, or deception, then post it online forever, ruining her life, employment and marriage/relationship prospects, and this is seen as "fair use" and can even be sold for huge profits.
Personally I would approve of some honour killings here in the west for certain sections of the old and new media complicit in such 'dishonour' crimes.
A kindergartner and a PhD. candidate both go to school, but only an idiot would hold them to the same standards, or care what the other student is doing...
Ya, it is the same human race, but much of the world is competing in the special Olympics...so to hold them to the high standards of top flight professional athletes is quite dense...
Your position is of course nonsense, but that at least is a consistent nonsense given it is coming from you...
Ya, it is the same human race, but much of the world is competing in the special Olympics...so to hold them to the high standards of top flight professional athletes is quite dense...
Your position is of course nonsense, but that at least is a consistent nonsense given it is coming from you...
"felt below a certain age..."
Felt? Now that's rational...not!
So what is the age?
We have laws on the books, but does that mean every 18 year old is invulnerable to exploitation?
The only universal standard that holds up to reasonable examination across all of humanity is the golden rule, all other moral systems are filled with exceptions to the rule, therefore rendering them to some extent arbitrary, mutable, and relative to conditions and culture.
For instance, the minimum age for marriage under Jewish law is 13 for boys, 12 for girls.
It is okay for an 80 year old Jewish man to marry a 12 year old Jewish girl and then have sex with her?
What if she is 10 and looks like she is 12, went through puberty at age 8 and is mature beyond her years based on her life experience?
It is all arbitrary, relative, and mutable according to the culture, and for one culture to judge another culture by its own mores...when that same country is as corrupt and sinful as America is complete hypocrisy.
Bottom line, judging others individually and collectively by judging a race, religion, or culture is a convenient way to avoid self examination and perfecting our own selves...
Felt? Now that's rational...not!
So what is the age?
We have laws on the books, but does that mean every 18 year old is invulnerable to exploitation?
The only universal standard that holds up to reasonable examination across all of humanity is the golden rule, all other moral systems are filled with exceptions to the rule, therefore rendering them to some extent arbitrary, mutable, and relative to conditions and culture.
For instance, the minimum age for marriage under Jewish law is 13 for boys, 12 for girls.
It is okay for an 80 year old Jewish man to marry a 12 year old Jewish girl and then have sex with her?
What if she is 10 and looks like she is 12, went through puberty at age 8 and is mature beyond her years based on her life experience?
It is all arbitrary, relative, and mutable according to the culture, and for one culture to judge another culture by its own mores...when that same country is as corrupt and sinful as America is complete hypocrisy.
Bottom line, judging others individually and collectively by judging a race, religion, or culture is a convenient way to avoid self examination and perfecting our own selves...
Holy fucking Christ, what the fuck????