The real tragedy ... education

[Mike Okistini]

Quote from MandelbrotSet:

Your generalizations are good and make a point, but El Cubano and I understand where Pabst is coming from (well, at least I think he does).

The only question is will you allow those bad experiences which made you want to kill the perpatrator affect your relationships with all the members of that group (or even just that borderline handfull).

It's a difficult question to answer ... and these feelings are consistent across the board for anyone having a bad experience (or series of bad experiences) with another group of human beings.

Tell you what, switch out "black men" with "women of any nationality" and look at some of the threads that you have around here, and there's your answer.

I understand where he is coming from, and we all entertain similar thoughts if we were in the same situation but we also can rationalize and think independently to still look at each person as an individual and not judge them for what a similar person has done. It is one thing to develop a bias which we all get stuck with, it is quite another to nail it down in bold writing and claim it as FACT.

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Quote from Cutten:

Well, since Irish and Brits are mostly both white, what's your point? Religion is a personal choice based on beliefs and behaviour. Race is determined by your ancestors and has nothing to do with your personal beliefs or behaviour. They are completely different things.

Nice job with the moral equivalency Cutten. Behavioral aspects of race are in essance what this discussion is about.

You've never been to America so perhaps you think race is all about color. It isn't. It's about culture and mores. If white people committed crime with the same prepensity as blacks then I'd be fearful of more whites. And if Black guys rarely caused trouble then I'd hang with more blacks. Hell there's plenty of white people I can't stand either.

 

[MandelbrotSet]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Nice job with the moral equivalency Cutten. Behavioral aspects of race are in essance what this discussion is about.

There's no such thing, that's the whole point of this discussion.

You've never been to America so perhaps you think race is all about color. It isn't. It's about culture and mores.

If you are trying to say that American blacks act in a consistent way which defines the whole group I'm going to have to start agreeting with Mike here ...

If white people committed crime with the same prepensity as blacks then I'd be fearful of more whites.

I'm offically losing the faith here Pabst, please tell me you forgot the smiley face and you're just joking ...

And if Black guys rarely caused trouble then I'd hang with more blacks. Hell there's plenty of white people I can't stand either.

OK, I get it.

You're just going to be who you're going to be.

 

[nutmeg]

The plot thickens.

 

[BlackAces]

Nutmeg,

Just when I was beginning to think you were a force of reason and intelligence you say some moronic thing as such?

Your statement probably examplifies how a large majority of whites view blacks. That we do not possess the necessary skill sets to participate in such a complex environment of mediation, leadership and negotiations. Oh well?

Quote from nutmeg:

Answer this one question. With the views that you harbor, would a "qualified",talented and capable individual of Black decent stand a chance of getting hired if you ran a company?
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This is a good question. I suppose this depends on how one might view there pool of workers. If your workforce is a large group of children playing in the sand box (ie autoworker) and you can afford a playground supervisor, a black, woman or minority would be an easy hire.

But if your employee work culture is shut up and do your job, not everyone understands that concept and it might difficult to retain a minority hire.

Unemployement compensation puts the burden on the employer to make good hiring decisions, if a disproportionate number of minority hires quit and collect U/compensation on your policy, you are screwed no matter how hard you try to make it work.

 

[BlackAces]

Pabst,

you are a joke if I have ever seen one( or listened to across the Net). You really are going to sit here and attempt to make anyone believe that with the extremely narrow views that you possess that you could be objective about anything in regards to someone who is non white? Please, spare me!

Your statements and views on this site are akin to that of the local Grand Wizard of your local Klans meeting that you attend.

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Please don't misconstrue that just because I don't like most blacks that I fail to judge people on a personal basis. I'm just being honest.

What'll piss me off is someone from Canada or Europe will soon be telling me about living in harmony ect. Libs who live in all white suburbs are more prejudiced than white conservatives who live in cities or in the South. Surely you know the code phrases. “We miss the city but we wanted to be some place with good (i.e. white) schools and where are kids would be safe.” (i.e. from blacks)


It's like all the bleeding heart Dem's in D.C. who send their kids to Prep schools in VA.

 

[nutmeg]

Quote from BlackAces:

Nutmeg,

Just when I was beginning to think you were a force of reason and intelligence you say some moronic thing as such?

Your statement probably examplifies how a large majority of whites view blacks. That we do not possess the necessary skill sets to participate in such a complex environment of mediation, leadership and negotiations. Oh well?

Well, it is like this. Opioncoach made a deragotory comment towards me, now I have followed this guy longer than I've been on this board, so I was surprised he had nothing to add. mandel, I do now believe has an IQ of 140 as he has said, together validated the points in my post with their comments.

Now you come along and ask for clarification. Glad to meet you. For the moment, I am waiting for Pabst reply to mandel. I may get back to you later.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Quote from nutmeg:

Well, it is like this. Opioncoach made a deragotory comment towards me, now I have followed this guy longer than I've been on this board, so I was surprised he had nothing to add. mandel, I do now believe has an IQ of 140 as he has said, together validated the points in my post with their comments.

Now you come along and ask for clarification. Glad to meet you. For the moment, I am waiting for Pabst reply to mandel. I may get back to you later.

Not sure what I could have added to your comment. It actually did not make sense. My low IQ comment was not as derogatory as what you implied in your post. Sorry if it ruffled feathers. Perhaps there was a deeper meaning that was lost on me but I went and re read it again a few times and not sure what you were trying to say except that you only hire minorities if you have strong supervision?

I will go back to lurking here since these kind of discussions never go well anyway as can be seen in the last few pages lol.

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from MandelbrotSet:

There's no such thing, that's the whole point of this discussion.


If you are trying to say that American blacks act in a consistent way which defines the whole group I'm going to have to start agreeting with Mike here ...


I'm offically losing the faith here Pabst, please tell me you forgot the smiley face and you're just joking ...


OK, I get it.

You're just going to be who you're going to be.

You guys need to read Freakonomics. They back up what they see with data/studies and the like instead of just idle speculation...

 

[MandelbrotSet]

Quote from optioncoach:

I will go back to lurking here since these kind of discussions never go well anyway as can be seen in the last few pages lol.

It's pretty amazing what happens to otherwise reasonable men when discussing race, religion and politics ... hell, we might as well add sex into the pot as well.

It's just remarkable how easy it is to for someone to have wrong minded views about things, and take for granted that they know what they are talking about, when the truth is they haven't got a clue.