The real tragedy ... education

Quote from nutmeg:

Answer this one question. With the views that you harbor, would a "qualified",talented and capable individual of Black decent stand a chance of getting hired if you ran a company?
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This is a good question. I suppose this depends on how one might view there pool of workers. If your workforce is a large group of children playing in the sand box (ie autoworker) and you can afford a playground supervisor, a black, woman or minority would be an easy hire.

But if your employee work culture is shut up and do your job, not everyone understands that concept and it might difficult to retain a minority hire.

Unemployement compensation puts the burden on the employer to make good hiring decisions, if a disproportionate number of minority hires quit and collect U/compensation on your policy, you are screwed no matter how hard you try to make it work.

So you are saying that if you have a pool of immature workers and a good supervisor, you can hire a minority easily. But if you have a job where you have to put your nose to the grindstone and work hard, retaining minority hires would be difficult.

How low can the IQs get on this board...
 
Jane comes back from the lunchroom and tells me "Bob called me a bitch" WTF? Can I tell Jane to shut up and go back to work, or do I spend the rest of the afternoon mediating? I'm not Bob's mom and I'm not in tune to Janes inner self. If I had a legal department (I could send Jane there) and a sensitvity self help group on site (I could send Bob there). I could go back to work, of course this would leave me short two workers.
 
Quote from optioncoach:

So you are saying that if you have a pool of immature workers and a good supervisor, you can hire a minority easily. But if you have a job where you have to put your nose to the grindstone and work hard, retaining minority hires would be difficult.

How low can the IQs get on this board...
Yeah I know, and he's one of the better posters.

Certainly puts things into perspective ...
 
"Social harmony"? LMAO.

Yea, race matters when discussing crime and education. Simply put, drop out rates among blacks are multiples of those of white kids. Or do you think the rates are random?

I find it humorous that blaming whitey for the problems of blacks is P.C. acceptable but if whites disparage black parents (or lack of parental influence) for their problems then racism is in play.

Because virtually 100% of my Chicago property tax bill goes to education costs for minorities (Chicago schools are just 11% white) I think I'm entitled to my opinion.

Here's what libs would like America to believe:

1. Whites fail to adequately fund inner city schools. This despite the fact that many of America's highest spending districts are in the unionized big cities of the North.

2. Curriculum reflects traditional white cultural standards rather than todays diverse climate. Given that drop out rates of Asian students are around the same as whites this is also a non-starter.

3.English is an antiquated vernacular in todays American schools. When in Rome....

4.Black kids are stuck in segregated schools. This point is the most ironic of all. For starters the corollary could just as easy be that white kids do better if they too are segregated but the truth is the vast majority of those “all black” schools up North were once all white.

Two generations ago Compton, the Bronx and Chicago's South Side were majority white. The schools themselves and the curriculum are unchanged from back then. What's different? Only the people teaching and enrolled in the educational system of those cities.

Would I refuse to hire someone based on race? Hardly. In fact I don't think I've had a white American do work on the house in Fla since I've been here. Just the same BlackAce, I call a spade a spade. No pun of course intended.......:p


Quote from BlackAces:

Sad that my first post has to be in this thread.

I was trolling through various threads and came upon garbage. Without a doubt, individuals like Pabst are the cause of much concern to social harmony. It took me only seconds to read the first couple of line of the initial thread to wonder," when will this turn into a black/white issue?"

The point of the matter is not whether you think that education is substandard in this country or that some may or may not use to the full advantage of their abilities the opportunities available to them in this country. But, how you view a certain segment of the population. Your views have very little to do with the capacity of one race to succeed or fail in this society, but how the affects of our muddied racial past as a nation still infects everyone. You offer nothing in the way of meaningful nor constructive solutions to anything.

Answer this one question. With the views that you harbor, would a "qualified",talented and capable individual of Black decent stand a chance of getting hired if you ran a company?
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

"Social harmony"? LMAO.
Couldn't agree more

Yea, race matters when discussing crime and education. Simply put, drop out rates among blacks are multiples of those of white kids. Or do you think the rates are random?
That's true, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that I know why, so you probably don't either.

I find it humorous that blaming whitey for the problems of blacks is P.C. acceptable but blaming black parents (or lack of parental influence) for their problems is racist.
It is when you don't know those parents or those students on a personal level, yes.

Because virtually 100% of my Chicago property tax bill goes to education costs for minorities (Chicago schools are just 11% white) I think I'm entitled to my opinion.
That doesn't mean you actually know what you are talking about.

Here's what libs would like America to believe:

1. Whites fail to adequately fund inner city schools. This despite the fact that many of America's highest spending districts are in the unionized big cities of the North.

2. Curriculum reflects traditional white educational standards rather than todays diverse climate. Given that drop out rates of Asian students are around the same as whites this is also a non-starter.

3.English is an antiquated vernacular in schools. When in Rome....

4.Black kids are stuck in segregated schools. This point is the most ironic of all. For starters the corollary could just as easy be that white kids do better if they too are segregated but the truth is all of those “all black” schools up North were once all white.
This isn't really addressing the issues. It's kind of like blaming the traffic light for the accident ...

Two generations ago Compton, the Bronx and Chicago's South Side were majority white. The schools themselves and the curriculum are unchanged. What has changed? Only the people teaching and enrolled in the educational system in those cities.
Yeah you're right.

I couldn't get out of the LA District schools and into their San Fernando Valley peer-equvalent fast enough ... there's just no comparison.

The dumbest student in the valley schools was equal to the smartest kids in the inner city schools ... well, that's an exaggeration, but not by much.

It seems like many of those schools are just designed to warehouse students and then shuffle them of to whatever job they can find ... blaming the kids of nothing short of idiocy.

Note: I'm not calling you an idiot Pabst.
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:

Couldn't agree more


That's true, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that I know why, so you probably don't either.


It is when you don't know those parents or those students on a personal level, yes.


That doesn't mean you actually know what you are talking about.


This isn't really addressing the issues. It's kind of like blaming the traffic light for the accident ...


Yeah you're right.

I couldn't get out of the LA District schools and into their San Fernando Valley peer-equvilant fast enough ...


I grew up with WAY more blacks than you.....
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

I grew up with WAY more blacks than you.....
That may actually be one of the truer and "funnier" things about this whole conversation (although none of this is funny).

Probably one of the reasons why I'm still around ... the self-destruct mechanism in these environments has to been seen to be believed (although it's better if you don't).
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The main difference between you and me Pabst, is that you were never confused as being as being one of them, whereas I always am. :eek:
 
You don't get it do you. I grew up on the South Side of Chicago. I WAS A MINORITY. In 10 years my neighborhood went from all white to all black. As a white in a black hood I was spit on, hit, robbed at gunpoint, mother robbed ect.

After I moved to the North Side I was then MAJORITY. Wanna know the difference? On the North Side white kids didn't fuck with ANYONE else. In fact Northside whites went out of their way to welcome blacks. You can argue till your blue in the face but my growing up in Chicago made me dislike most black folks. And nothing about the criminal habits of Afro-America since has caused me to change my view.



Quote from MandelbrotSet:

That may actually be one of the truer and "funnier" things about this whole conversation (although none of this is funny).

Probably one of the reasons why I'm still around ... the self-destruct mechanism in these environments has to been seen to be believed (although it's better if you don't).
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The main difference between you and me Pabst, is that you were never confused as being as being one of them, whereas I always am. :eek:
 
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